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    Know we have decided on a name and a time period, it is time to decide on what factions should be included in our mod.

    So come on guys make some suggestions ?










    These are some maps we can work from as examples, these were ones that DJ has worked on when we were developing the Two Crowns mod
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    France
    England
    Scotland
    Lordship of the Isles
    Burgundy
    Ireland
    Norway
    Milan
    Genoa
    Switzerland
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    England
    France
    Burgundy
    Flanders
    Brittany
    Navarre
    Scotland
    Swiss
    Brabant
    Upper Lorraine


    The question of Italy
    - Genoa
    - Milan
    - Venice
    - Savoy
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    How far north will the map go?

    Your list seems pretty good, but if it goes north to the Western Isles, you can includ the Lordship of the Isles, and maybe Norway and Denmark if it goes that far East
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    Wales and Irealand
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    The second map seems a good choice, but the Western Isles aren't on where they should be.
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    are the lordship of the isles going to be in? if so make the isle of Skye their stronghold

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    There are islands missing off the coast of Skye, which the Isles had; Lewis, Harris, North/South Uist, Barra. These have been missed off of the 2nd map
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    As I stated these are just a starting point, we will need to add a number of things, but this gives us something to develop from.

    To be added

    coast of Skye
    Channel islands

    etc
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    This is the current list of Factions that have been put forward.....

    France
    England
    Scotland
    Lordship of the Isles
    Burgundy

    Ireland
    Norway

    Milan
    Genoa
    Switzerland
    Flanders
    Brittany
    Navarre
    Brabant
    Upper Lorraine
    Venice
    Savoy

    Wales
    Denmark

    Can we please discuss them and make anymore suggestions. I have highlighted the ones I believe have a chance of being in the mod.

    Could we all please make an input.

    We will then need to make a decision on which factions is to be the ROME faction, and what that factions three children will be.
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    put Tiree in, my family's from there

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    What about maybe the holy roman empire, as a minor faction,
    and or maybe Aragon, just so we have a little more are covered

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    I think the four proposed playable factions would be the best choice in regards to the suggested time period of the mod. Would all the others then be non-playables and rebels? That would would be good, cause it would give Burgundy some room to expand and not at the expense of the French and English early in the game.

    How about making the senate faction the English parliament. Just give them no revenue so they won't be able to muster armies. They could tell the English King what not to do (which is what they spent most of their time doing as they controlled the taxes of the realm) if thats possible. The only problem would be what province to give them. The idea of a non controllable English faction having London wouldn't be to pleasing. But you could just wipe them out early on. The pope would also be an obvious choice, especially as RTW isn't really concerned with religion. The pope was always trying for peace between England and France by sending bishops and cardinals to try and mitigate the situation. Just some suggestions to get the ball rolling.
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    I had a slightly different idea for the Rome faction, I was thinking about making it Royal France. (Which we could give it Paris/ Ile De France.

    For the other three factions I was thinking about maybe

    Burgundy
    an Armagnac faction
    and A.N.other faction, maybe Flanders.

    This would then allow for us to have the Duchy of Brittany as in independant faction.
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    Why do we need Denmark and Norway?

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    espagnol

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    England
    Scotland
    Lordship of the Isles
    France
    Duchy of Burgandy
    Duchy of Britanny
    Savoy
    Brabant
    Kalmar Union (Denmark, Sweden, Norway)
    Switzerland
    Navarre
    Ireland
    Milan
    Genoa

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    I think Flanders should be an independent faction at the start of the game as Edward III used it as a beach head/staging area (with the permission of the Flemish) to start his first campaign of the war.
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    Well, I don't want to sound nationalistic or something like that, but there's should be more than 2 french factions (Burgundy and 'France').
    The political situation was much more complex, and tough you don't have to add all the small duchy and county (ie. Auvergne), some were still major powers, almost as powerful as the dauphin.

    You might have changed your mind, but I don't really see why the Kalmar Union should be in. It's not really revelant to the HYW.
    As for the French faction, I think you should have something like the The Armagnacs, Provence, Britanny, Burgundy and The Kingdom of France.
    Castille and Navarre were also important early in the war, and thus might deserve to be a faction on their own (but Castille wouldn't really fit on the map I think).

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    As for the French faction, I think you should have something like the The Armagnacs, Provence, Britanny, Burgundy and The Kingdom of France
    Thankyou for your input.

    Which way do you think would fit better

    Royal France (Rome)
    - Burgundy
    - Flanders
    - Brittany

    or

    Royal France (Rome)
    - Burgundy
    - Armagnacs
    - Another French faction

    Then we have brittany and Flanders as independant kingdoms/ Duchys.
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    I prefer the first one

    Royal France (Rome)
    - Burgundy
    - Flanders
    - Brittany

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    I would opt for the second choice, as Brittany and Flanders were to important to overlook as independent factions. It's just what could make the third French faction?
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    I also prefer the second, I was thinking of maybe Normandy, basically due to its size, and the fact that once conquered by England, after Agincourt, it would have been eliminated and have no input into the French civil war.

    It would be an easy target for English conquest, and be perfectly situated between Flanders and Brittany. Also if my history is right, was in not controlled by one of the French Kings sons.
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    I agree with Shadeswolf
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    Yeah, Normandy sounds good. Anouther suggestion would be Anjou. But Normandy would be a good choice.
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    I can't really help for the romans factions, but my vote would goes to

    The Kingdom of France (as the Senate Faction, with Rome being Paris)
    - The Armagnacs
    - Burgundy
    - Duchy of Provence

    Furthermore, the best solution would be to have the 3 roman family being The king of England, the Armagnacs and Burgundy, but then they couldn't fight right from the start, which would be silly.

    My knowledge about the HYW isn't that good, but I think a mod taking place during this period should show the political situation of France : a country where the king had barely enough power to lead his retainers, whose throne was claimed by a lot of different factions.

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    Im sure it was discussed that the War of the Roses was to be included, how would the two factions be included?
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    Im sure it was discussed that the War of the Roses was to be included, how would the two factions be included?
    What i was thinking about was having another scenario which would be war of roses time period.

    We would keep the English faction as the Lancaster faction and then just add another one to cover York . In the same time period in europe we would have France, Burgundy, Scotland, The swiss and all the Italian factions.
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    How about the Yorkists emerging as a rebellion. The conduct of the War of the Roses would be satisfied through this because the battles of the wars were fought to sap the man power of the other army to neutralize it as a political threat. There fore if the Yorkists are rebels, then a lancastarian player's objective would be to wipe them out, which would be historically accurate. If the Yorkists started with provinces then seiges would have to be fought and land re-conquered, historically this wasn't the case. The only problem with this is, there would be no option to play as the Yorkists in the campaign game.
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    If it is possible to make factions appear, like the Golden Horde in MTW, then we could do that.
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