Bavaria or Bohemia?

[General of Tokugawa]

Which one was more succesful?

[Uesugi Kenshin]

I voted Bavaria, seems to me like they were more powerful during the time period.

[Meneldil]

Bohemia was much more important and powerful than Bavaria, even though it was ruled by foreign lords (but then, that happened to a lot of country).
With Bohemia, you could also script a good event such as the Hussite War.

[Narayanese]

Bavaria won.

Now how will Bohemia, Lusatia (=area between brandenburg and bohemia), Moravia, Brandenburg and the duchy of Luxemburg be represented? They were all ruled by the Luxemburg family in 1402 (and a little later they were all ruled by Sigismund). (correctr me if i'm wrongt)

[Yggdrasill]

Well that is what I suggested: that instead of territories like Austria, bavaria etc. we have families - Habsburg family, Luxembourg family and perhaps Wittelsbach or some other powerful family. It's a small change really, we are in fact always referring to Habsburg as a faction not Austria, also this is how it was done in original RTW - Julii, Scipii and Brutii family. Also corresponds more to the time since it was the noble families that were the driving force behind states, and ethnic background or regions meant little, states were peiced together by combining various regions, basically whatever nobility could claim by right of succession and hold on to by force of arms.

Families not regions is the way to go...

[Uesugi Kenshin]

I would also say unless some Bavarians would like to change their votes Bavaria has won, a very decisive and quick victory. But if there are major issues we can address them.

[Ignoramus]

But, we want to change the feel of this Mod, so as not to make the player feel this a Mod, but a different game entirely. Having families would remind us of Rome TW, but having the regions names: Saxony, Bavaria, and the Hapsburgs, wouldn't.