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    There are at least 30 wars going on today, 15 of which the UN has classified as "major".

    I heard this on the radio and i was wondering if it was true. I can think of a couple of wars, but not 30!

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    That's disturbing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeonGod
    That's disturbing?
    If you believe in Pax Americana, it is disturbing.
    The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianII
    If you believe in Pax Americana, it is disturbing.
    Why?

    *peers outside her window while sipping her Freedom Pressed Coffee*

    Looks pretty Pax to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proletariat
    Why?

    *peers outside her window while sipping her Freedom Pressed Coffee*

    Looks pretty Pax to me.
    OK, one more time for you and Panzerjager. Pax Romana was a period of circa two centuries when Rome had brought most of the known world under its military control, thus securing peace and prosperity for most of the peoples in that territory. Hence, Pax Romana meant peace not just for Rome, but for the known world.

    Post-1989 American pretensions to secure 'global dominance' or 'hegemony' and to 'police the world' haven't materialised so far. It is all very well for you to look outside your window and be satisfied with the apparent serenity you perceive there, but it does not convince anyone that a Pax Americana has been established in today's world. Witness the failed attempt to pacify Iraq. Witness the other circa thirty wars going on right now.

    In fact, the U.S. has been losing its position as a hegemon of the free world since the early 1970's. But that's another story, we had a thread about that and it turned out most people didn't know what hegemon means. These words are bandied about by Neocons since 2001 to give a semblance of coherence to their foreign policy notions.
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    You dont seem to understand Pax Romana. There were plenty of insurgencies and wars going on in the far off areas of the empire and beyond. The ones that put a hurt on Roman trade were dealt with and the ones that didnt affect Rome were ignored.

    The trading, prosperous world (Europe, democratized Asia, South America to a certain extent) lives without fear of war or strife. Of course you could site Bosnia - but how important is that to the global trading community?

    I believe we are living in a default Pax Americana - not an imposed order by the United States, but simply how the cards fell after WW2 and the cold war.

    Because of American troops many important trading areas dont need to even bother spending money on a real army, and have become very prosperous indeed after ww2. Japan - Europe - South Korea.

    So, to sound absolutely Roman, let the barbarians fight eachother as long as they want to as long as it doesnt affect Americas global interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianII
    we had a thread about that and it turned out most people didn't know what hegemon means.
    i used to trade hegemon cards...
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianII
    OK, one more time for you and Panzerjager. Pax Romana was a period of circa two centuries when Rome had brought most of the known world under its military control, thus securing peace and prosperity for most of the peoples in that territory. Hence, Pax Romana meant peace not just for Rome, but for the known world.

    Post-1989 American pretensions to secure 'global dominance' or 'hegemony' and to 'police the world' haven't materialised so far. It is all very well for you to look outside your window and be satisfied with the apparent serenity you perceive there, but it does not convince anyone that a Pax Americana has been established in today's world. Witness the failed attempt to pacify Iraq. Witness the other circa thirty wars going on right now.

    In fact, the U.S. has been losing its position as a hegemon of the free world since the early 1970's. But that's another story, we had a thread about that and it turned out most people didn't know what hegemon means. These words are bandied about by Neocons since 2001 to give a semblance of coherence to their foreign policy notions.
    Adrian,

    that is definitely disturbing to me!

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    Middle East
    U.S. and UK vs. Iraq insurgents
    Israel vs. Palestinian Authority/Hamas/Hezbollah/Palestinian separatists

    Asia
    Afghanistan: U.S., UK, and Coalition Forces vs. al-Qaeda and Taliban
    India vs. Kashmiri separatist groups/Pakistan
    India vs. Assam insurgents (various)
    Indonesia vs. Aceh separatists
    Indonesia vs. Christians and Muslims in Molucca Islands
    Indonesia vs. Irian Jaya separatists
    Nepal vs. Maoist rebels
    Philippines vs. Mindanaoan separatists
    (MILF/ASG)

    Africa
    Algeria vs. Armed Islamic Group (GIA)
    Burundi: Tutsi vs. Hutu
    Côte d'Ivoire vs. rebels
    Democratic Republic of Congo and allies vs. Rwanda, Uganda, and indigenous rebels
    Somalia vs. rival clans
    Sudan vs. Darfur rebel groups
    Uganda vs. Lord's Resistance Army (LRA)

    Europe
    Russia vs. Chechen separatists

    Latin America
    Colombia vs. National Liberation Army (ELN)
    Colombia vs. Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC)
    Colombia vs. Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia (AUC)

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    Very disturbing, and probably true as well.
    GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
    INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
    GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
    INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.

    Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944

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    That's disturbing?

    That was the name of the radio segment. Whether it is disturbing is up to opinion.

    If you believe in Pax Americana, it is disturbing.

    Either you were being sarcastic or you dont know much about that concept.

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    NM.
    Last edited by Productivity; 05-11-2005 at 08:16.

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