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    Default Former interogator at Guantanamo denounces practices used there

    Soldier lifts lid on Guantanamo 'abuse'
    By Matthew Davis
    BBC News, Washington

    A former US soldier who worked on interrogations at Guantanamo Bay has written a damning expose of the brutal, degrading treatment he says was meted out to prisoners there.

    Sgt Erik Saar's book, Inside the Wire, comes with the US military's treatment of prisoners in the spotlight due to court hearings over the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.

    In an interview with the BBC, Sgt Saar says that bizarre, sexual abuses at the prison camp set dangerous precedents that paved the way for mistreatment of US detainees in Iraq.

    And the former translator argues that despite attempts to right wrongs at Guantanamo, the camp still defiles the values the US is fighting for in the war on terror.

    'Does that please Allah?'

    One of the most disturbing interrogations Sgt Saar says he saw in his six months at the prison concerned a female interrogator trying to break a Saudi detainee, captured after enrolling in a US flight school.

    He tells how she began peeling off her clothes, taunting the man sexually in an attempt to shame him and stop him relying on his faith for support.

    She left the interrogation room, Sgt Saar says, and found a red marker pen.

    "'Brooke' came back round his [the prisoner's] other side, and he could see that she was beginning to withdraw her hand from her pants," said Sgt Saar.

    "As it became visible, the Saudi saw what looked like red blood on her hand."

    When the interrogator wiped what he thought was menstrual blood on his face, the prisoner raged, almost breaking free from his handcuffs.

    But "Brooke" taunted him further, said Erik Saar, asking whether Allah would be pleased with him and telling him to have fun trying to pray.

    Finally the detainee was returned to his cell without water, leaving him unable to cleanse himself.

    'Start of a mistake'

    Sgt Saar volunteered for Guantanamo in 2002. He was a US Army linguist, an expert in Arabic and had high security clearance.

    But he says what he saw completely changed his attitude towards the camp, and his country.

    There were many more suicide attempts in the camp than the US government has ever admitted, Sgt Saar says.

    He claims storm trooper-like IRF (initial reaction force) teams were involved in numerous beatings of captives.

    And of the 600 or so prisoners there, no more than a few dozen were "hardcore terrorists", says Erik Saar.

    "The US Government portrays Guantanamo as a place where we are sending the worst of the worst, but this is not true.

    "Guantanamo was the beginning of a mistake. It set a precedent in labelling people as enemy combatants, blurring the line between right and wrong.

    "You can see it as the seed that may well have led to the naked human pyramids in Abu Ghraib."

    FBI memos

    In December 2004, the American Civil Liberties Union released a slew of material relating to prisoner abuse, obtained via the Freedom of Information Act.

    This included an FBI email - from December 2003, six months after Sgt Saar left - that said Defense Department interrogators at Guantanamo had impersonated FBI agents while using "torture techniques" on a detainee.

    US Southern Command told the BBC it was investigating alleged detainee abuse following the publication of the FBI memos.

    But USSC says it will not comment on any abuse allegations until the inquiry report is published.

    Officials also deny allegations in Erik Saar's book that interrogations at Guantanamo were "staged" for visiting inspectors.

    A spokesman told the BBC that Mr Saar was a merely a junior linguist, "not in a position to understand the decisions behind interrogation planning".

    'Whitewash'

    The US Army is addressing the issue of how to treat a prisoner humanely, while still applying the pressure needed to get them to reveal critical information.

    It is poised to issue a new field interrogation manual, which will expressly forbid certain harsh techniques and include detailed examples with references to the Geneva Conventions.

    Throwing a chair against a wall in a fit of mock anger may be permissible, for instance, but using the chair to hit the detainee would not.

    In March, a Pentagon investigation into the interrogation of prisoners detained in the war on terror found its policy did not lead to abuse.

    The review - launched last year - examined 187 Pentagon investigations of alleged abuse in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay.

    Human rights groups criticised the review as a whitewash.

    Sgt Saar believes improvements have been made at the camp, but says more radical change is needed, to bring prisoners within the US judicial system.

    "People say if what I have written is the worst that went on, it is not too bad," he says.

    "But Guantanamo has become a symbol of everything wrong with America's image. If we are trying to build a bridge to the Muslim world, what sort of face are we portraying?

    Inside the Wire by Erik Saar and Viveca Novak is published in the United States by The Penguin Press.
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    Hehe, i saw this guy on the news, he was obviously trying his hardest to sell his book.

    I would never take the words of someone who will profit off of those words as an unbiased account.

    In any event, i found this bit entertaining:

    He tells how she began peeling off her clothes, taunting the man sexually in an attempt to shame him and stop him relying on his faith for support.

    LoL Such horrible treatment! So horrible people pay millions every year in strip clubs for the same torture. Is that it?

    This was a little more promising:

    He claims storm trooper-like IRF (initial reaction force) teams were involved in numerous beatings of captives.

    At least our forces havent completely pussy-ed out. Those dirtbags deserve a lot more than that.

    In any event, the anti-war types will buy and believe this book despite the fact it is written by a low level linguist who stands to profit from its distribution. Good luck to him, he's truly a representation of capitalism at its best/worst.

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    He claims storm trooper-like IRF (initial reaction force) teams were involved in numerous beatings of captives.
    At least our forces havent completely pussy-ed out. Those dirtbags deserve a lot more than that.
    This assumes that all the prisoners are guilty, which is challenged by each bit of info that comes out. It appears that many were arrested and placed in Gitmo as the result of bounties being offered - people turned in innocent people in order to reap financial rewards, something you claim not to trust.

    This also mistakenly asserts that it is justified to beat captives, even those who deserve it. While I hate to rely on theological appeals, WWJD? Would he beat a captive because he was a dirtbag.

    It ignores the fact that with each mistake, error, or whatever you wish to call it, justifiable act if you will, that we bolster the root causes of hate and feed the fires that threaten us.

    But it seems too late already. Once rational people on both sides begin to buy into the hate that was once owned only by a few extremists, then war is inevitable. And every day I see more and more the normal, regular, decent people who have accepted that violence and hatred are OK, because the other side did something violent and 'they all hate us.

    We have been set onto a spiral, downward toward conflict.

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    This assumes that all the prisoners are guilty, which is challenged by each bit of info that comes out.

    And you are assuming that all those sent to Guantanamo are given the same treatment. I dont buy that. I believe that the military would issue the proper amount of beatings to the proper people.

    Dont you think if the media was able to find out some of the prisoners were sent to them via bounty, the military already knew. Its cold but responsible to keep them in for a while to make sure they arent who their accusers say they are, but I doubt they were the ones on the receiving end of those alleged beatings.

    While I hate to rely on theological appeals, WWJD?

    A rather cheap shot i must say, especially from someone living in the proverbial glass house.

    Jesus would most likely not own a computer, house, or car.

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    WWJD... What Would Judas Do?

    Own shares in Halliburton, get someone to beat the crap out of anyone who got in his way (at a profit) and make sure he was the treasurer of a leading humanitarian organisation like Oil for Food...
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    I saw and have heard this guy a few times. He changes his tune when the questioning gets tuough. When asked if he saw anything illegal or any atrocities he admits he hasnt. In reality his argument is that what he saw was un American.
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    Frankly - one can safely assume if he was what he claims he was - he would already been arrested and quietly held for breaking an oath and a contract which is signed when one holds high level security classification.

    Did he see some questionable stuff - sure the reports from other sources tell of treatment that would be classified as illegal if done by the civilian police forces here in the United States - and in that there is a very valid point.
    O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean

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    Default Re: Former interogator at Guantanamo denounces practices used there

    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJager
    Jesus would most likely not own a computer, house, or car.
    He does actually. But he prefer Japanese quality.

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    Default Re: Former interogator at Guantanamo denounces practices used there

    True or not true. American goverment may not complain about these stories. Why did they send the prisoners to Guantanamo? Why didn't they give them a fair trial?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJager
    This assumes that all the prisoners are guilty, which is challenged by each bit of info that comes out.

    And you are assuming that all those sent to Guantanamo are given the same treatment. I dont buy that. I believe that the military would issue the proper amount of beatings to the proper people.
    If it wasn't so scary, that would be the funniest thing I have ever heard you say, Panzer.

    So, by your logic, simply being a member of the U.S. military qualifies somebody to be the first, middle, and last decision maker in the arbitration of "justice." Never mind the more or less fair and proven legal system that the U.S. has done a mostly admirable job of using and honoring for the last couple of hundred years. Judges, juries, and lawyers are all just unnecessary fluff when it comes to deciding who is guilty and who needs punishment. All that is needed is a guy with a high school education (well, in most cases, anyway) and a billy club. Yes friends and neighbors, I submit to you that if somebody can meet the excruciatingly high and demanding standards for entrance in the U.S. military, then they quite clearly are capable of replacing the entire criminal justice system.

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    You ought to read up on some of the things the US military has done during times of war, Goofball.

    You should particularly look at how some of the SS were treated (executed) on the spot. This was not during a battle, but after they had surrendered. They were considered radicals, much like AQ today eh?

    Japanese troops often suffered the same fate. There was nothing wrong with this - it was war.

    You are creating precedents that dont exist Goofball. I submit to you that the US military only tries people during a wartime situation when it is convenient to do so AND has become much more conscious of the rights of detainees.

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