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    Jillian & Allison's Daddy Senior Member Don Corleone's Avatar
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    I can't imagine anyone making an argument for it's inherent goodness, but hey. I'd like to try something different. I'm going to sit down and buy BP and Jag a beer here, and let's all check our political cloaks at the door. I'll then be carted off to the local pokey for contributing to the delinquincy of a minor. But seriously...

    I'm curious what everyone, of every stripe and background thinks about this issue.

    On the one hand, you have the freedom argument... consenting adults are free to act in & view materials as they see fit. It's a victimless crime, if it's a crime at all, and hey, it just might help save some marriages.

    On the other, you can argue that pornography victimizes women. As much as we like it, every time we watch it, we're supporting the enslavement of some young woman out in California (or wherever the film Private movies over in Europe). Her chains are most likely a drug addiction, but they could be others. Point is, as long as we the consumers are out here (and I'm not necessarily throwing myself into that group, wifey might peek in here at any moment) pimps, erh, I mean agents will be out there preying on young women without a lot of choices in their life.

    You could also make the good old fashioned moral/religious argument. I'm open to all viewpoints. But, I want to set a couple of simple groundrules:

    1) No dragging other threads into here. If it wasn't mentioned explicitly in this thread, it's an invalid comment.

    2) No personal attacks. If Devastatin Dave (sorry dude, I figure you could handle being an example) comes clean and admits he has his wife make 5 movies a day to help pay bills, you can voice an opposition, but no insults.

    3) No political baggage. I know I'm as bad an offender as anyone, but please, no 'typical liberal feel-good...' or 'typical right-wing religious nutcase'.

    4) Be honest. If you don't want to share your personal experiences, fine, don't but please, dont' misrepresent yourself.

    Okay, boys (and hopefully ladies Froggy & Proletariat) have at it.
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    I have never paid for porn in my life. I also try to avoid real porn, and watch mostly hentai. It's much cleaner on my conscience. It's not evil but it can be. For example bestiality, shiteating, bdsm are pretty bad. I try to avoid those as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    I can't imagine anyone making an argument for it's inherent goodness,
    I can. And I will. Porno is good. It's fun, it's healthy, it sparks the imagination, it quickens the pulse and is an example of both our creativity and our needs.

    I'm not talking about underage pornography, or forced sex or anything like that. Just good old fashioned delicious sex conducted by consenting adults brought forth into movie form for other consenting adults.

    Porno? Damn straight!
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    I think porno is great, but I'm really tired of the niche fetish porno popping up everywhere. It blows my mind that some people has such absurd turn-ons, but then, I guess I'm absurd to them too.

    I don't think I've ever paid for porno either. Symptom of my generation, I guess.

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    I have two points on this -

    Firstly Don, my initial thoughts and probably my final position is that I have no problems with it. Why? Because it is a business like most others, it is no more enslaving or 'wrong' than office work, in my opinion. People are free to take part in it, watch it or ignore it, it is not rammed down peoples necks like other business are - like sport for instance.

    However secondly when I reflect a bit longer I do agree that it does have negative aspects and although I think it perfectly fine and most definitely not to be made illegal - what would that solve anyway? You would still have people making porn and selling it illegally - it should be regulated effectively so that the *ahem * niche markets of women getting abused in porn does not get into the hands of adolescents. Very hard to do but that type of porn really doesn't set a good precedent, at least other forms of porn doesn't show things we are not going to participate in - yeh alright not necessarily as explicitly as some porn films - in our lifetimes anyway. Also like prostitution it should be open and regulated properly so that the women in the business are not taken advantage of and know exactly what they are doing, are not getting ripped off and know they are doing it only because they want to and not because they feel they have to.

    Not evil and it does serve its purposes.
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    GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
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    Well, that's an interesting point guys.

    Hypothetically speaking, let's say I could offer direct evidence that almost all women do porn to support a drug habit or are single mothers (I can't and God I hope that isn't the case, btw)....

    Would finding it for free absolve you of any guilt of her being stuck in that job? Technically speaking, you're not the one paying for it, so you're not paying her boss.

    And does watching cartoons of, let's face it BP, no offense... women being victimized by tentacles and stuff mean that you're blameless? I mean, how can you victimize a cartoon?
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    God, I've been possessed by Jerry Springer...

    Okay, let's look at that viewpoint Neon & Jag...

    The whole idea of 'scale' of the material being shown... The woman is an actress, so whether she's receiving an enema or just making out and receiving heavy petting, she's almost assuredly faking any emotion for the camera. So, it's not about what she's actually into. It's about your cravings. Are some niches (straight sex, lesbians, soft core porn) okay and others (S&M type stuff) worse? Why?
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    Well lets add some perspective as to the people who are involved in the industry, this below is something written by Asia Carrera (porn artist), about why she does what she does. I'm not saying that this a true indication of the industry, I simply don't know, but it may provide a bit of insight. I won't link to it because it may break the rules, but google should find it no problems.

    WHY I DO PORN EVEN THOUGH I'M VERY BRIGHT AND COULD HAVE DONE ANYTHING I WANTED

    by Asia Carrera

    I got awfully tired of telling this over and over, so I'm telling it for the last time - here it is:)

    OK, we all know I was an academically gifted little girl. What I don't publicize, is that I was not an especially motivated one. I was an overachiever only through a)genetic luck, and b)incredible pressure from my parents. My parents wanted me to go to Harvard and be a doctor or a lawyer, and I wanted to play piano and hang out with friends.

    Needless to say, my parents and I butted heads. My father was born in Japan, and my mother was born in Germany. They were from the "old school", strong on discipline, and overachievers themselves, so they were in no way being hypocritical with their demands on me. (My dad went to Caltech on full academic scholarship for math and physics. He's the biggest nerd I know)

    I was grounded for every "B" I got, and beaten for getting anything lower than that. I was not allowed to socialize at all, or go to parties, because they said there'd be time for that after I got into a good college. Well, I did what any red-blooded American kid would do, I'd sneak out. And get caught. And get beaten. And get grounded again. Without launching into too much detail, let's just say I was unhappy. (I tried to kill myself a lot) (Asian kids everywhere have e-mailed me to verify that this is standard practice in Asian households - what a relief to find out I'm normal, huh!)

    Shortly before my seventeenth birthday, I ran away from home. I stayed where I could, with a rock'n'roll band, with friends, with strangers, in hotels, at one point in a tent. I worked when I could, but I couldn't do much at seventeen, so I had no money. I had friends drive me to school every day, and I begged people to bring me Doritos so I'd have something to eat. Everything I owned fit in two garbage bags. Sometimes I fucked people I didn't want to, so I could have a place to sleep, or a good meal. I gritted my teeth a lot, and did what I had to, rather than crawl back home and grovel for my folks' forgiveness.

    Eventually the State found out I was living on my own, and I got put in a foster home. My foster parents were as strict as my own parents, and I still was not allowed to date or socialize. This was twice as difficult for me to handle, after having had a taste of freedom, but I stayed until I finished high school. I ran away from my foster home on my eighteenth birthday, knowing I only had to fend for myself until the fall, when I was going to Rutgers on my full academic scholarship. I hitchhiked off with my two garbage bags of stuff, and did what I could to not starve until school started.

    So I confess, I went to college not for an education, but for the promise of a hot meal and a free bed while I plotted ways to become wealthy, so I wouldn't have to go begging or fucking any more strangers for lousy scraps of charity. Four years of college is a goal I'd like to finish attaining one day, but for a runaway who lost 15 pounds without enough food to eat, getting money in the bank immediately was my priority. I got a job as a bartender, and wished I had the guts to become a stripper 'cause I heard they made lots of money. One day the owner of the bar asked me if I would serve drinks topless at a private party for $100. Wow, a hundred bucks was a lot of dough for me, so I said sure. I drank a lot of vodka to screw up my courage. Next thing you knew, I was on the bar with some strippers he'd hired, and I was collecting tips like crazy. I came home with $300 bucks, and was amazed. I'd never made that much money in my life!

    The next day I took a bottle of vodka and got myself hired at all the local go-go bars. I then proceeded to work seven nights a week, and I saved a minimum of $1000 every week, and sent it off to various mutual funds. (ever hear of someone who still has the first dollar they ever made? That would be me!) I obviously stopped attending classes, only going in to take finals. As one of the highest paid dancers in NJ, I searched for a way to get paid even more money dancing. I discovered that girls who made movies or magazines got paid more than regular 'house girls' like me.

    I went to the local 7-11, bought all the men's magazines, and sent pictures of myself to the little addresses inside the first couple pages. Club magazine responded, and sent me to a photographer in NY, who proceeded to shoot me for most of the major men's mags. I asked him about making adult movies, and he gave me the number of a director in LA named Bud Lee. I called this Bud guy, and he told me if I flew to LA, he could use me in a movie or two. So during winter break '93, I flew out to LA with just a suitcase and a teddy bear. I found that I liked making movies, then I married that Bud Lee guy, and the rest, as they say, is history.

    I know some of you still think I'm "settling for less than I could achieve" in life, but all I can say is this: I'm happier than I've ever been in my life, and I don't consider that "settling" at all! I have a fun job that provides me with the time and money to do all the things I love, like playing piano, drawing, writing, and working on my web site! I've slowly lost the hard edge and the "fuck-the-world" attitude I had as a runaway, and gained a love for life that I never had before. I save and invest for the future, and I'm going to finish my degree at my leisure. After I'm done with adult, I'll be a mom, or a stock analyst, or knowing me, probably both. And when I die, I'm leaving behind a trust fund to provide help and shelter for abused and homeless children, so a little piece of me will live forever!

    Hugs, Asia

    p.s. I'm not mad at my parents. I know they just wanted me to be the best I could be, but they pushed too hard, that's all. Being successful is great, and it's a goal I strive for, but never at the expense of happiness. I think happiness should come first, and then success!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    Would finding it for free absolve you of any guilt of her being stuck in that job? Technically speaking, you're not the one paying for it, so you're not paying her boss.
    I'm not sure I see the relevance of paying for it or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    And does watching cartoons of, let's face it BP, no offense... women being victimized by tentacles and stuff mean that you're blameless? I mean, how can you victimize a cartoon?
    Not sure if you can or can't, but I'd love to watch Wilma spank Betty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beirut
    Not sure if you can or can't, but I'd love to watch Wilma spank Betty.
    ... you cheeky bugger! no flintstones porn...
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    I have nothing against porn. Actually not even against prostitution. I am not a very large consumer though, get enough of it at home.
    Being in a strip bar or having very sexy chicks serve your dinner is something really pleasant and it adds to the atmosphere of a good meal.
    We have a golf club here in Jakarta with only young sexy girls working as caddies, servants, even cutting the grass. The really short skirts make a golf tour something extra......

    And yes, I am a manschauvunist.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    God, I've been possessed by Jerry Springer...

    Okay, let's look at that viewpoint Neon & Jag...

    The whole idea of 'scale' of the material being shown... The woman is an actress, so whether she's receiving an enema or just making out and receiving heavy petting, she's almost assuredly faking any emotion for the camera. So, it's not about what she's actually into. It's about your cravings. Are some niches (straight sex, lesbians, soft core porn) okay and others (S&M type stuff) worse? Why?
    I'm not condemning them. I just think they're laughably funny; I use 'absurd' for basically everything I find funny because I simply don't understand it. They can do it all they want; it's just mind-boggling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beirut
    I'm not sure I see the relevance of paying for it or not.
    Well, two posters have already begun their posts with "I never paid for it", not "I've never watched it..." Just wondering if that was important somehow, and if so, how?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    Are some niches (straight sex, lesbians, soft core porn) okay and others (S&M type stuff) worse? Why?
    As long as it's being performed by consenting adults, who cares if they stuff chickens up their rectums. Well, I guess it would be nice if the chickens consented as well.

    Anyway, what people are like during daylight hours is not necessarily what they are like during the night. Who is to deny that one aspect of their behaviour is any more or less real than the other? If they are not hurting anyone, who cares what fetish they enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmolsson
    I have nothing against porn. Actually not even against prostitution. I am not a very large consumer though, get enough of it at home.
    Being in a strip bar or having very sexy chicks serve your dinner is something really pleasant and it adds to the atmosphere of a good meal.
    We have a golf club here in Jakarta with only young sexy girls working as caddies, servants, even cutting the grass. The really short skirts make a golf tour something extra......

    And yes, I am a manschauvunist.....
    What's the slope of that course and the yardage, I might have to swing by when I'm in Singapore later this month....

    Just kidding. But with 2 wives (right?), I imagine you don't really need much in the way of porn or prostitutes. But, let me ask you this. If you had daughters, would you be okay with them working at that golf club or the strip club you frequent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    And does watching cartoons of, let's face it BP, no offense... women being victimized by tentacles and stuff mean that you're blameless? I mean, how can you victimize a cartoon?
    You have the wrong idea about hentai. Very little is tentacle rape,lol. Most of it is softcore relationship stories which I enjoy watching with girls sometimes. They like and so do I, and it's not real so there's nothing to feel bad about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beirut
    As long as it's being performed by consenting adults, who cares if they stuff chickens up their rectums. Well, I guess it would be nice if the chickens consented as well.

    Anyway, what people are like during daylight hours is not necessarily what they are like during the night. Who is to deny that one aspect of their behaviour is any more or less real than the other? If they are not hurting anyone, who cares what fetish they enjoy.
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    Tentacle rape? What the hell are you guys watching? Octopus sex at the cartoon aquarium?

    I prefer the old fashioned one guy and three women stuff. That's sex the way God intended it.

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    Hey now, you're getting close to breaking the no-insult rule. I don't care for Hentai myself, but I'm sure you've gotten spam emails with all the tentacles and crap. According to BP, apparently it's not a big part of it. In all honesty, I really wouldn't know. I prefer flesh and blood to ink.
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    Well I have to crash now, but I really want to see what Panzer, Redleg and Gawain have to say about all this.

    G'night all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    God, I've been possessed by Jerry Springer...

    Okay, let's look at that viewpoint Neon & Jag...

    The whole idea of 'scale' of the material being shown... The woman is an actress, so whether she's receiving an enema or just making out and receiving heavy petting, she's almost assuredly faking any emotion for the camera. So, it's not about what she's actually into. It's about your cravings. Are some niches (straight sex, lesbians, soft core porn) okay and others (S&M type stuff) worse? Why?
    I stated that the S&M type stuff that is violent is wrong for the younger audience who may watch. It is not all that good for people who are just starting to get sexually aware to be thrust into the deep end right away with hardcore violent porn. That is why I think in this circumstance it is wrong. For fully fledged paid up members of the sexually active adult race, I wouldn't have a problem with any niches.
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    GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
    INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.

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    what is wrong with anything?
    what is wrong with devouring human corpses? as long as you are refrigerating them
    it is superstitious to believe that the corpse belongs to anyone

    it harms no one in a real way

    as for porn - i find it hilarious how so many say that it is ok to do

    i personally love porn - but i dont need to rationalize it as a good thing before i do it
    technically - it is not a good thing

    but i watch it anyway - because i like to



    i love it how people rationalize old morality and replace it with new morality when history teaches us that this new morality will become the old morality soon enough
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    Well, Tuff, maybe not everyone subscribes to the old morality. I'm trying to work on my skills playing devil's advocate here, so bear with me.

    I haven't seen a lot of people rationalize their views in light of old morality. I've seen people say that they have different views then what traditional morality says on the subject. Technically speaking, we all do, or when we engaged with coitus with our legally wed spouse, strictly for procreation, we would remain fully clothed.

    But you raise a couple of interesting points too.

    1) Why should we worry about whether it meets our personal standard of morality?

    and

    2) Are we wearing fig leaves on this particular issue. I'd chose a more tasteful example then your corpse devouring example, but your point is valid. Once you accept that victimless crimes are no crime at all, where does it end?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff
    what is wrong with anything?
    what is wrong with devouring human corpses? as long as you are refrigerating them
    it is superstitious to believe that the corpse belongs to anyone

    it harms no one in a real way

    as for porn - i find it hilarious how so many say that it is ok to do

    i personally love porn - but i dont need to rationalize it as a good thing before i do it
    technically - it is not a good thing
    You just rationalized it didn't you? You said it's not a good thing.

    i love it how people rationalize old morality and replace it with new morality when history teaches us that this new morality will become the old morality soon enough
    Hell everything can be made moral. I think a better way to pose the question is which porn do you prefer. I personally wouldn't wanna expose myself to bestiality early on. It's pretty sick and it will mess up my head. It's not a moral issue but health one.

    Also this brings up the criminality of causing pain on someone for your pleasure, or eating crap which is very unsanitary and could contract deseases.

    If you feel up to it though go ahead and watch it. I feel bad for the people in the videos though, who lower themselves to be screwed by a dog

    I like good wholesome hentai. It doesn't make me feel guilty at all.
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    pretty much share JAG's pov on this one. i see nothing more inherently 'wrong' with porn than most jobs. it's exactly analogous to prostitution: people having sex directly for money. from what i understand the porn industry is already fairly well regulated, unlike prostitution.

    i've never paid for any kind of porn, iirc. but i've DLed stuff from time to time (the urge comes and goes, i binge and purge, so to speak). using the internet, however has it's disadvantages; i've inadvertently glimpsed some things i'd rather not have (gay orgies, bestiality, tubgirl, etc).

    i tend to follow the 'consensual' rule: if a person is not being forced by another person to do something, i can't see what would be unethical about it. the question came up of 'what if all these women were using porn to support their drug habits'. i don't think that makes a bit of difference. the problem in that case is the drug habit, not the porn. though the nature of the porn hiring practices might need looking into lol.

    what about our daughters? honestly, if my daughter wanted to go into porn, i mean really had a desire to do that.. as long as she went in knowing as much as possible, with eyes wide open, i wouldn't feel more than a little uneasy about it. i'd certainly rather she did that than prostitution, simply because it seems much safer to me.

    so what about the psychological affects of porn? well, one can ask similar questions about almost everything in society. in the end, i have to think people's responsibility is in thier own hands (or that of their gaurdians, for minors). if the 'oversexing' caused by porn leads to unhappiness in one's future, c'est la vie. if it can be shown that watching porn causes societal problems (such as increasing the likelihood that certain people will commit rape), then a society might do well to outlaw it. however, the cons of such an action might outweigh the pros.
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    You have the wrong idea about hentai
    Im not sure if thats what I saw but it was somr Japanamation and i couldnt believe all the gang rapes and the like in it. This is harmful porn of the worst kind.

    As for adult movies I watch them and find nothing wrong with them. Me and my es used to watch them together. It really can be fun and and educational experience. As far as women doing it to support a drug habit its their choice. They were probably drug addcts already and would be prostituting themselves instead . I have no problem with that either however. I wish I could have gotten my drugs thats way. How is it if women get paid for sex we men are enslaving them? If we did it to them for nothing it would be more that way. How about the menin these movies . Are they being used any differently than the women?
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    Im not sure if thats what I saw but it was somr Japanamation and i couldnt believe all the gang rapes and the like in it. This is harmful porn of the worst kind.
    Even that is fake. It doesn't harm anyone, it's animation. Again it's not all like that anyways. I hate rape with every fiber of my being anyhow.

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    Even that is fake. It doesn't harm anyone, it's animation. Again it's not all like that anyways. I hate rape with every fiber of my being anyhow.
    Of course its fake its a cartoon. Thats one of the main problems I have with it. Kids your age shouldnt be watching crap like that. In fact no one should. I couldnt believe the violence in those and how they treated women. You couldnt get that on a a real porno movie because at least we do limit on it in some respects.
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    You have no idea Gawain. I have seen the sickest most perverted porn imaginable and none of it compares to any Hentai. EDIT by Ser Clegane: now BP goes into some naughty details
    Last edited by Ser Clegane; 05-12-2005 at 15:54. Reason: Edited to be a bit more PG-13 :-)

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    Look, we're trying to have a mature discussion about all of this. If you want to talk about what you're into, well, go ahead I guess, but it's certainly not required. But please, let's not see who can shock who. There's plenty of things I know I've seen I wish I never had. And like Forrestt Gump, that's all I have to say about that....
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