Pornography: Evil or alright?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

EDIT by Ser Clegane: this refers to the naughty details from BP's post

None of this comes even close to that garbage your watching. @5 guys gang raping a woman and humiliating her. I dont care if its just a cartoon. Also bestiality is not legally sold here in the US nor is transexual rape.

[ichi]

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Silver screen, such a disgrace
I couldn't look her straight in the face
A blue addiction I live in disgust
Degradation, being eaten by lust

No bone movies
No bone movies
No bone movies

Inspiration that's blue and uncut
Can't kick the habit, obsession of smut
Voyeur straining, in love with his hand
A poison passion, a pulsating gland

No bone movies
No bone movies
No bone movies

I shouldn't do it, the guilt tells me why
I just can't stop it, I try and I try
X-rated demon that lives in my head
Hungry for bodge, and he wants to be fed

No bone movies
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No, no, no bone movies
No, no, no bone movies
No, no, no bone movies tonight

ichi

[Big_John]

yeah, i know what you mean don. i wish i had never seen forrest gump either.

[Byzantine Prince]

Forest Gump is worse then any porn on a young man's mind. I watched it when I was 12 and never been the same. Now I actually demand QUALITY in the films I watch.

Anyways don't blame all hentai for one crap movie. It's like condemning hollywood for movies like Gigli and Forest Gump.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Anyways don't blame all hentai for one crap movie

My family owns a video store. Ive seen more than one. I couldnt watch more than a few minutes of them though. Disgusting with no redeeming value other than the art work.

[Efrem]

Don't be silly.

I can't stand 99% of them for that reason. But that doesn't stop the 1% being good. Then again, one mans brutal rape is anothers erotica.

[bmolsson]

But, let me ask you this. If you had daughters, would you be okay with them working at that golf club or the strip club you frequent?

Sure, as long as my duaghters turn out hot. Can't have the shame in the family with an ugly daughter showing her tits......

[bmolsson]

My family owns a video store. Ive seen more than one. I couldnt watch more than a few minutes of them though. Disgusting with no redeeming value other than the art work.

How do you know if you didn't see the whole movie ??

[Gawain of Orkeny]

How do you know if you didn't see the whole movie ??

OK you give me the redeemng factors in these movies. There are some that have none of this crap and are indeed very good.

[PanzerJaeger]

Moderation.. moderation.. moderation.

[bmolsson]

OK you give me the redeemng factors in these movies. There are some that have none of this crap and are indeed very good.

Busted !!!

[Tachikaze]

Even on this "nonpolitical" issue, I still agree with JAG, which saves me from having to write my own original stuff.

One reason some of us disagree is because we might not have the same definitions of "porn". One person I used to debate with believed the word "porn" carried within it a negative connotation. So, naturally, it had to be "bad" by definition.

I consider pornagraphy to be the male version of the female romance novel. They both serve a similar purpose.

And I have paid for porn. I learned a lot about making love to a woman by watching it (carefully selected). The Japanese stuff shows lots of healthy foreplay that women adore. My wife likes to watch it, too. She even recorded Korean erotic films from Japanese TV.

By the way, if there's one thing I may be considered conservative about, it's sex. I'm not into much "unusual" stuff.

[AntiochusIII]

Why, I am in agreement with JAG here - the inexperienced should not be put into misunderstanding, as it can leads to damaging consequences - but consenting, mature people have the personal rights to engage in sexual relationship with whatever reason they have unless it deals with being "forced" or "necessity" (in which the latter will be society's fault. ;) )

However, I see that the discussion is going towards the discussion of taste - like how disgusting or how cool Hentai is.

I have my opinion , but...

[Byzantine Prince]

Porn has existed since the beggining of time. You can find it on walls in Pompeii and in 1800's photographs. It has always existed so people wouldn't go crazy. I don't see how anyone could illigalize the porn industry, it's impossible.

Now what we have to do is make and enforce laws against bestiality, crap-eating, rape, and kiddie porn and we're set. As long as it's none of those things porn is perfectly fine, the same way that smoking a little, and drinking a little is never gonna kill you or even harm you neither is porn.

[Ja'chyra]

Porn has existed since the beggining of time.

Lol, maybe not but I take your point.

I don't think there is anything wrong with porn as long as it is for adults, and was performed by consenting adults.

If people agree to do it and others want to watch it then it has nothing to do with anyone else.

[bmolsson]

I don't think there is anything wrong with porn as long as it is for adults, and was performed by consenting adults.

and was performed by consenting good looking adults.

[Ja'chyra]

and was performed by consenting good looking adults.

Oh, most important of all, thanks B, I shudder to think what that could have resulted in

[English assassin]

Weeeel, for the sake of argument....

There are downsides to porn. In some ways its like a drug. A drug can make you feel great, that you are on top of the world, but its not a real feeling. When the drug wears off you are back where you started. Its not the same experience as, say, working hard at something and getting a real achievement (working out and getting good at a sport, being Bill gates, whatever floats your boat.)

Now, that doesn't mean drugs are bad, so long as you understand they are a little holiday from real life, not a substitute for it.

Likewise with porn. Lets face it, we all, or almost all, like looking at the ladies. maybe some people like softcore is enough (I think it was Sid Vicious who said sex was like picking your nose, fun when you were doing it but no fun to watch someone else. Not my opinion but then I wasn't banging Nancy Spungen), some people prefer hardcore, Obviously a few like the tentacles. Whatever. The point is, even taking it as a given that the actors are consenting, porn CAN still be harmful if you lose sight of the fact that its not real life. In real life you have to have reasonably long term relationships with one woman at a time (Beruit, behave). Its not exactly what you see in porn movies. If you want your life to be like a porn movie you are going to be very disappointed in your relationships.

But the problem is not so much with porn as with how people understand it. Its probably no more (or less) serious than using pretty girls in bikinis to sell cars. Once you realise that just because you buy a Ford Felatio it doesn't mean that cheerleaders are going to be fighting each other to get into the back seat with you, you can just enjoy the girls in the ads. Much the same with porn IMHO

[Paul Peru]

So, we have a piece of pronography. Is it good, evil, bad, reprehensible, whatever?
I say no. It is an object like any other.

What has lead up to the existence of this object? It may be something good. It may be something bad.

Dream scenario: Some people come together, have a great time living out their fantasies, enjoying great sex, make a comfortable living, support society by paying taxes from their profits.

Nightmare scenario: Mafia figures enslave unfortunate girls (and maybe boys, dogs, sheep etc.) and subject them to humiliating (at best) treatment, beat them up, get them hooked on drugs if they're not already, and kill them when they've served their purpose. Money remains in the black economy, building it up for the future take-over of world.

Most porn is produced somewhere in between, right? A bit like tobacco or something.
If there were a certifying authority to guarantee the ethical standards follwed in the production of porn, I'd call it permissible. Max Havelaar porn

Porn being illegal in some countries contributes to pushing it towards the nightmare scenario. Information and some regulation is in order.

On the consumer side I do think it can be damaging to watch at least some porn. Certainly to young and/or particularly vulnerable people. (the previous post, by EA, is spot on) Any relation between porn and rape is dubious AFAIK. I'd say it's infinitely better to watch porn than to go out and rape someone, but if someone watches porn and gets inspired to go out and rape someone, that's bad, IMO.

Personally, I find most of it unappealing, which is not to say I'm immune to getting aroused by it or anything. I can do without it, and I think I'm better off for not watching porn. If it works for you and does no damage to your relations to other people, go ahaead.
But be careful.
I have spoken.

[Beirut]

There is no doubt that guys who are too young should not watch it. It's pretty obvious that they'll pick up ideas that they might not have had otherwise, or at least should be allowed to develop on their own.

On the other hand, restristing boys (young teenagers) from seeing porno is like telling them they can't smoke or drink beer. Sounds great - won't work. Experimentation and discovery (often destructive or self-destructive) are the hallmarks of teenagerhood.

[Templar Knight]

I have never been a fan of porn. Some of it can be a laugh, but to watch it all the time, its not healthy. Its not good in my opinion because of the psychological and social effects it has on some people, causing them to turn into someone that they are not, especially if they are exposed to it at a young age.

[Lazul]

hmm porn, probably one of those issues I really dont give a crap about....

hmm, so why am I posting here?

*looks at his fingers typing*

gha!

.... *spasms and falls of the chair*

[bmolsson]

I had a discussion with the head of Indonesian intelligence (BIN) about censoring internet. He told me off the record that they didn't see any reason to censor out porn from internet, since it was better the little jobless muslim boys where better having in the local internet cafes masturbating to playboy, than being on the streets creating riots............

[Big_John]

lol i wonder what marx would have said about the modern porn industry..

[lancelot]

On the other, you can argue that pornography victimizes women. As much as we like it, every time we watch it, we're supporting the enslavement of some young woman out in California (or wherever the film Private movies over in Europe).

I dont agree with this statement Im afraid...

Its a well known fact that a female 'star' on her first day of 'work' will earn more than the most popular male 'star'. And is probably one of the very few (if any) industries where that is the case.

I dont really consider that victimisation.

[Tachikaze]

Some people who are writing here are assuming that "porn" means "unconventional", "bizarre", "crude", "freakish", "disturbing", "seedy". Watching X-rated movies in my teens gave me a healthier attitude about sex than I had gotten from a society that implies, or explicitly states, that sex is disgusting or even evil. Maybe at that time it was more conventional onscreen than today, I don't know.

[Ronin]

as every hot blooded heterosexual male knows porn isn´t "allright"...it´s the best damn thing ever!!!

99% of the population agrees with this statement....the other 1% are bloody liars...


p.s.-it is understood by the "guy code" that one might have to lie about the subject when on the company of a girlfriend or wife....don´t worry...the truth is understood.

[Ser Clegane]

Look, we're trying to have a mature discussion about all of this. If you want to talk about what you're into, well, go ahead I guess, but it's certainly not required. But please, let's not see who can shock who. There's plenty of things I know I've seen I wish I never had. And like Forrestt Gump, that's all I have to say about that....

I second this - I have no problem if the pro and contra of pornpgraphy is discussed in the Backroom.

What I do not want to read here are detailed and graphic descriptions of what individual people have seen.

If I find the time I will take the freedom to edit individual posts. This is not to chastize individual patrons but to make this thread at least a bit more PG-13

After this announcement, repeated attempts of dragging this thread down might however be considered as violations of the forum rules and would be treated accordingly.

Thanks for your attention ... proceed with the discussion please

[Big_John]

I dont agree with this statement Im afraid...

Its a well known fact that a female 'star' on her first day of 'work' will earn more than the most popular male 'star'. And is probably one of the very few (if any) industries where that is the case.

i read somewhere that there are 3 major occupational categories in which women make more money than men, on average; pornography/stripping, prostitution, and modeling. don't know how accurate that is though.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

i read somewhere that there are 3 major occupational categories in which women make more money than men, on average; pornography/stripping, prostitution,

Well that explains why most of these things are considered ilegal or immoral