Pornography: Evil or alright?

[Don Corleone]

Well, that's an interesting point guys.

Hypothetically speaking, let's say I could offer direct evidence that almost all women do porn to support a drug habit or are single mothers (I can't and God I hope that isn't the case, btw)....

Would finding it for free absolve you of any guilt of her being stuck in that job? Technically speaking, you're not the one paying for it, so you're not paying her boss.

And does watching cartoons of, let's face it BP, no offense... women being victimized by tentacles and stuff mean that you're blameless? I mean, how can you victimize a cartoon?

[Don Corleone]

God, I've been possessed by Jerry Springer...

Okay, let's look at that viewpoint Neon & Jag...

The whole idea of 'scale' of the material being shown... The woman is an actress, so whether she's receiving an enema or just making out and receiving heavy petting, she's almost assuredly faking any emotion for the camera. So, it's not about what she's actually into. It's about your cravings. Are some niches (straight sex, lesbians, soft core porn) okay and others (S&M type stuff) worse? Why?

[GoreBag]

God, I've been possessed by Jerry Springer...

Okay, let's look at that viewpoint Neon & Jag...

The whole idea of 'scale' of the material being shown... The woman is an actress, so whether she's receiving an enema or just making out and receiving heavy petting, she's almost assuredly faking any emotion for the camera. So, it's not about what she's actually into. It's about your cravings. Are some niches (straight sex, lesbians, soft core porn) okay and others (S&M type stuff) worse? Why?

I'm not condemning them. I just think they're laughably funny; I use 'absurd' for basically everything I find funny because I simply don't understand it. They can do it all they want; it's just mind-boggling.

[Beirut]

Are some niches (straight sex, lesbians, soft core porn) okay and others (S&M type stuff) worse? Why?

As long as it's being performed by consenting adults, who cares if they stuff chickens up their rectums. Well, I guess it would be nice if the chickens consented as well.

Anyway, what people are like during daylight hours is not necessarily what they are like during the night. Who is to deny that one aspect of their behaviour is any more or less real than the other? If they are not hurting anyone, who cares what fetish they enjoy.

[GoreBag]

As long as it's being performed by consenting adults, who cares if they stuff chickens up their rectums. Well, I guess it would be nice if the chickens consented as well.

Anyway, what people are like during daylight hours is not necessarily what they are like during the night. Who is to deny that one aspect of their behaviour is any more or less real than the other? If they are not hurting anyone, who cares what fetish they enjoy.

Whoa, you've seen that movie too?!

[JAG]

God, I've been possessed by Jerry Springer...

Okay, let's look at that viewpoint Neon & Jag...

The whole idea of 'scale' of the material being shown... The woman is an actress, so whether she's receiving an enema or just making out and receiving heavy petting, she's almost assuredly faking any emotion for the camera. So, it's not about what she's actually into. It's about your cravings. Are some niches (straight sex, lesbians, soft core porn) okay and others (S&M type stuff) worse? Why?

I stated that the S&M type stuff that is violent is wrong for the younger audience who may watch. It is not all that good for people who are just starting to get sexually aware to be thrust into the deep end right away with hardcore violent porn. That is why I think in this circumstance it is wrong. For fully fledged paid up members of the sexually active adult race, I wouldn't have a problem with any niches.

[ICantSpellDawg]

what is wrong with anything?
what is wrong with devouring human corpses? as long as you are refrigerating them
it is superstitious to believe that the corpse belongs to anyone

it harms no one in a real way

as for porn - i find it hilarious how so many say that it is ok to do

i personally love porn - but i dont need to rationalize it as a good thing before i do it
technically - it is not a good thing

but i watch it anyway - because i like to



i love it how people rationalize old morality and replace it with new morality when history teaches us that this new morality will become the old morality soon enough

[Don Corleone]

Well, Tuff, maybe not everyone subscribes to the old morality. I'm trying to work on my skills playing devil's advocate here, so bear with me.

I haven't seen a lot of people rationalize their views in light of old morality. I've seen people say that they have different views then what traditional morality says on the subject. Technically speaking, we all do, or when we engaged with coitus with our legally wed spouse, strictly for procreation, we would remain fully clothed.

But you raise a couple of interesting points too.

1) Why should we worry about whether it meets our personal standard of morality?

and

2) Are we wearing fig leaves on this particular issue. I'd chose a more tasteful example then your corpse devouring example, but your point is valid. Once you accept that victimless crimes are no crime at all, where does it end?

[Byzantine Prince]

what is wrong with anything?
what is wrong with devouring human corpses? as long as you are refrigerating them
it is superstitious to believe that the corpse belongs to anyone

it harms no one in a real way

as for porn - i find it hilarious how so many say that it is ok to do

i personally love porn - but i dont need to rationalize it as a good thing before i do it
technically - it is not a good thing

You just rationalized it didn't you? You said it's not a good thing.

i love it how people rationalize old morality and replace it with new morality when history teaches us that this new morality will become the old morality soon enough

Hell everything can be made moral. I think a better way to pose the question is which porn do you prefer. I personally wouldn't wanna expose myself to bestiality early on. It's pretty sick and it will mess up my head. It's not a moral issue but health one.

Also this brings up the criminality of causing pain on someone for your pleasure, or eating crap which is very unsanitary and could contract deseases.

If you feel up to it though go ahead and watch it. I feel bad for the people in the videos though, who lower themselves to be screwed by a dog

I like good wholesome hentai. It doesn't make me feel guilty at all.

[Beirut]

Would finding it for free absolve you of any guilt of her being stuck in that job? Technically speaking, you're not the one paying for it, so you're not paying her boss.

I'm not sure I see the relevance of paying for it or not.

And does watching cartoons of, let's face it BP, no offense... women being victimized by tentacles and stuff mean that you're blameless? I mean, how can you victimize a cartoon?

Not sure if you can or can't, but I'd love to watch Wilma spank Betty.

[TheSilverKnight]

Not sure if you can or can't, but I'd love to watch Wilma spank Betty.

... you cheeky bugger! no flintstones porn...

[Don Corleone]

I'm not sure I see the relevance of paying for it or not.

Well, two posters have already begun their posts with "I never paid for it", not "I've never watched it..." Just wondering if that was important somehow, and if so, how?

[bmolsson]

I have nothing against porn. Actually not even against prostitution. I am not a very large consumer though, get enough of it at home.
Being in a strip bar or having very sexy chicks serve your dinner is something really pleasant and it adds to the atmosphere of a good meal.
We have a golf club here in Jakarta with only young sexy girls working as caddies, servants, even cutting the grass. The really short skirts make a golf tour something extra......

And yes, I am a manschauvunist.....

[Don Corleone]

I have nothing against porn. Actually not even against prostitution. I am not a very large consumer though, get enough of it at home.
Being in a strip bar or having very sexy chicks serve your dinner is something really pleasant and it adds to the atmosphere of a good meal.
We have a golf club here in Jakarta with only young sexy girls working as caddies, servants, even cutting the grass. The really short skirts make a golf tour something extra......

And yes, I am a manschauvunist.....

What's the slope of that course and the yardage, I might have to swing by when I'm in Singapore later this month....

Just kidding. But with 2 wives (right?), I imagine you don't really need much in the way of porn or prostitutes. But, let me ask you this. If you had daughters, would you be okay with them working at that golf club or the strip club you frequent?

[bmolsson]

But, let me ask you this. If you had daughters, would you be okay with them working at that golf club or the strip club you frequent?

Sure, as long as my duaghters turn out hot. Can't have the shame in the family with an ugly daughter showing her tits......

[Byzantine Prince]

And does watching cartoons of, let's face it BP, no offense... women being victimized by tentacles and stuff mean that you're blameless? I mean, how can you victimize a cartoon?

You have the wrong idea about hentai. Very little is tentacle rape,lol. Most of it is softcore relationship stories which I enjoy watching with girls sometimes. They like and so do I, and it's not real so there's nothing to feel bad about.

[Beirut]

Tentacle rape? What the hell are you guys watching? Octopus sex at the cartoon aquarium?

I prefer the old fashioned one guy and three women stuff. That's sex the way God intended it.

[Don Corleone]

Hey now, you're getting close to breaking the no-insult rule. I don't care for Hentai myself, but I'm sure you've gotten spam emails with all the tentacles and crap. According to BP, apparently it's not a big part of it. In all honesty, I really wouldn't know. I prefer flesh and blood to ink.

[Beirut]

Well I have to crash now, but I really want to see what Panzer, Redleg and Gawain have to say about all this.

G'night all.

[Big_John]

pretty much share JAG's pov on this one. i see nothing more inherently 'wrong' with porn than most jobs. it's exactly analogous to prostitution: people having sex directly for money. from what i understand the porn industry is already fairly well regulated, unlike prostitution.

i've never paid for any kind of porn, iirc. but i've DLed stuff from time to time (the urge comes and goes, i binge and purge, so to speak). using the internet, however has it's disadvantages; i've inadvertently glimpsed some things i'd rather not have (gay orgies, bestiality, tubgirl, etc).

i tend to follow the 'consensual' rule: if a person is not being forced by another person to do something, i can't see what would be unethical about it. the question came up of 'what if all these women were using porn to support their drug habits'. i don't think that makes a bit of difference. the problem in that case is the drug habit, not the porn. though the nature of the porn hiring practices might need looking into lol.

what about our daughters? honestly, if my daughter wanted to go into porn, i mean really had a desire to do that.. as long as she went in knowing as much as possible, with eyes wide open, i wouldn't feel more than a little uneasy about it. i'd certainly rather she did that than prostitution, simply because it seems much safer to me.

so what about the psychological affects of porn? well, one can ask similar questions about almost everything in society. in the end, i have to think people's responsibility is in thier own hands (or that of their gaurdians, for minors). if the 'oversexing' caused by porn leads to unhappiness in one's future, c'est la vie. if it can be shown that watching porn causes societal problems (such as increasing the likelihood that certain people will commit rape), then a society might do well to outlaw it. however, the cons of such an action might outweigh the pros.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

You have the wrong idea about hentai

Im not sure if thats what I saw but it was somr Japanamation and i couldnt believe all the gang rapes and the like in it. This is harmful porn of the worst kind.

As for adult movies I watch them and find nothing wrong with them. Me and my es used to watch them together. It really can be fun and and educational experience. As far as women doing it to support a drug habit its their choice. They were probably drug addcts already and would be prostituting themselves instead . I have no problem with that either however. I wish I could have gotten my drugs thats way. How is it if women get paid for sex we men are enslaving them? If we did it to them for nothing it would be more that way. How about the menin these movies . Are they being used any differently than the women?