banning hoodies

[The_Doctor]

Taking away peoples hats is mad. I do not see the point of it.

What if they start wearing, bicorn or tricorn hats, or top hats, or a big Mexican hats, or a big furry Russian hat, or a bearskin like the Royal guards.

Or what if they had long hair and it covered their face.

[Kanamori]

Lol, England is starting to sound like a police state. When I was in London, I didn't see any of this stuff...I've been to Tijuana often too, and the worst I've seen is a drug bust where a guy tried to runaway, and got checked into a building.

buncha' hoodlums

[Duke Malcolm]

Britain, for God's sake, Britain!
These are Scotland's laws, too!

[BDC]

Lol, England is starting to sound like a police state. When I was in London, I didn't see any of this stuff...I've been to Tijuana often too, and the worst I've seen is a drug bust where a guy tried to runaway, and got checked into a building.

buncha' hoodlums

I would agree, but I have been glared at enough times walking past McDonald's and been threatened by enough people on scooters to be annoyed.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

I have no problem with this. Nobody has a right to menace people, and this really is an 'if you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to fear' issue.

I hate hooded tops anyway, I think they're exceptionally ugly. Real men wear short sleeves at all times.

[ShadesWolf]

Are these people also banned from the 'Car Parks' outside the shopping centre, or are they allowed to wait, hooded to mug somebody

[BDC]

Are these people also banned from the 'Car Parks' outside the shopping centre, or are they allowed to wait, hooded to mug somebody

Only if they are holding 'Vote BNP' signs.

[Templar Knight]

Where I live it is very quiet, although we have the odd spot of bother now and then like when a gang of 15 threaten my mum and threw something at her, which obviously pissed me off

Getting the bus is sometimes a problem, since they like to hang out at bus stops and naturally they don't create a nice atmosphere. They hand about in under-passes so at night time you need your wits about you.

One thing I did notice was if threatened, shouting - BRING IT ON - in a sort of commando way, they don't bother and head off, seeing as they usually pick on weak individuals who wont fight back.

If Blair cracks down on them, then great!

[Papewaio]

You see that I leave totally down to the govt, and the govt is failing in not investing in these forms of activities more. It should not be down to the gang members themselves to set up these forms of things it most definitely should be down to govt, it is what govt is for. This Labour govt we have at the moment, to it's credit, has started to try and combat this. Through the New Deal which gives people like this new chances - which the Tories wanted to scrap, naturally - and more money into needed public institutions. But it isn't enough and far more needs to be done, especially redevelopment in housing estates.

Jag you are an intelligent guy and you do read. So how much of the public library is utilised? Is it overflowing, crowded or dead quiet?

The Parramatta and Chatswood Libraries I go to are fairly full as are the uni ones in semester.

I'm just wondering because in some cases facilities exist but are not used. In other cases you are right there is nothing to study or work on.

[JAG]

To be fair, my local library is actually used quite well and has some new computers with internet connections which do get red hot. It doesn't have enough funding for better books however and more still needs to be done to make it even better and used more. It isn't brimming full but isn't empty either, just right some would say I guess.

However I understand that over all libraries are going down the pan, not enough investment and not enough people going.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Libraries in Cardiff are terrible. My local library doesn't seem to have bought a book since the 1980s, and the Central one is being shut down due to lack of funding, I understand.

I'm fairly well off so my parents are able to buy me most books I need for study, but there are lots of people who aren't in my position and it's a real shame they aren't catered for.

[Steppe Merc]

Hoodies? I guess that's a hooded sweatshirt?

I hate hooded tops anyway, I think they're exceptionally ugly. Real men wear short sleeves at all times.

Yeah, I'd agree, except I have no body fat so for survival I resort to wearing sweatshirts during winter... Some have hoods, but they aren't the huge ones most people in my school wear, and I never put them up...

But if this is to fight against gangs, and if it's a problem, very well. Hats are stupid anyway, and as I said, I never actually wear hoods. Does this mean that people can't wear hoods or wear hooded sweatshirts? Cause if someone just has a hooded sweatshirt and is obviously not the sort gangs wear, I wouldn't think they ought to get in trouble.

And at least in America, not only poor people wear stupid clothing or try and make gangs. A lot of rich spoiled ones do so as well. Just out of curosity, are these gangs trying to be like the LA and New York sort of gangs? And if so, do they attempt to talk like them, just with an English accent? Cause that would be strange....

And what the hell's a yob?

[KukriKhan]

yob = backward spelling of 'boy', originally. Now used to designate Brit juvenile delinquents.

On a related note: there is some internet chatter about how these yob gangs, beyond hurling insults to passersby, will sometimes pick a weak-looking victim, knock him/her down and each member slaps/hits the victim, while 1 guy takes vid/pics with a cell-phone - presumeably to share the images later.

Any info on this trend?

[Kanamori]

What a bunch of losers; some real gang members in Chicago should beat em up .

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

On a related note: there is some internet chatter about how these yob gangs, beyond hurling insults to passersby, will sometimes pick a weak-looking victim, knock him/her down and each member slaps/hits the victim, while 1 guy takes vid/pics with a cell-phone - presumeably to share the images later.

Any info on this trend?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4539913.stm

BBC article. Rather bizarre story really.

[JAG]

yob = backward spelling of 'boy', originally. Now used to designate Brit juvenile delinquents.

On a related note: there is some internet chatter about how these yob gangs, beyond hurling insults to passersby, will sometimes pick a weak-looking victim, knock him/her down and each member slaps/hits the victim, while 1 guy takes vid/pics with a cell-phone - presumeably to share the images later.

Any info on this trend?

It does exist unfortuantely and it is a totally new thing, in relative terms. Maybe the last few months. It is the same people we are talking about in this thread who carry out the 'happy slappy' stuff.

[|OCS|Virus]

lol thats nice, I love my blue hoody, I barely wear the hood, but it keeps me nice and toasty at nearly all tempuratures{sp?} I'm glad I don't live in the uk right now, I'd like to see them rip off my hoody, would be a cold day in guess were, before that would ever happen. I do however understand why they are doing it, I just don't agree with it. If it were me I would just step up security, hire a guard or police officer to just keep things under control.

[LittleGrizzly]

I love my hoody to, it keeps my head dry and keeps me warm and its nice and comfortable, i probably wouldn't wear the hood up in a department store anyway...

[PanzerJaeger]

This is what happens when society stagnates.

No one expects anything from them and they dont expect anything from themselves. I read an article that said -(about many kids in the US)- that kids have no aspirations to move up the social and economic ladder. They were born trash and have no intentions of ever being anything else.

Such an opinion in such large numbers is new in the US and im sure the UK. Even during the height of the hippy movement, most kids were pretty straight arrows and strove for success.

[R'as al Ghul]

"Anti-Social Behavior Orders (ASBOS)
We have something like that here in southern California. It outlaws assemblies of more than 3 people together.

So if you and your wife meet with a befriended couple, you're commiting a crime and may be arrested?
I know thats not its purpose but it could happen?

ASBOS can be issued for just about anything. A woman was banned from appearing at her window or mowing the lawn in a bikini/underwear

What's wrong with mowing the lawn?

[KukriKhan]

So if you and your wife meet with a befriended couple, you're commiting a crime and may be arrested?
I know thats not its purpose but it could happen?

Indeed, yes. That has been part of the court challenges, that the standard is applied unequally, targets youth, (maybe) targets specific ethnic groups, etc.

So far, Ms. Kukri & I haven't been apprehended.

[BDC]

No one expects anything from them and they dont expect anything from themselves. I read an article that said -(about many kids in the US)- that kids have no aspirations to move up the social and economic ladder. They were born trash and have no intentions of ever being anything else.

Such an opinion in such large numbers is new in the US and im sure the UK. Even during the height of the hippy movement, most kids were pretty straight arrows and strove for success.

I blame celebs being talentless and generally useless. If Posh Spice can become rich and famous, it's reasonable to think anyone else can with no work whatsoever.

:)

[SwordsMaster]

I blame celebs being talentless and generally useless. If Posh Spice can become rich and famous, it's reasonable to think anyone else can with no work whatsoever.

:)

I think its more of a problem the fact that they have nowhere to aspire. Why would you want to be like Posh Spice?

It reminds me of Tyler Durned´s discourse in Fight Club. *runs to watch the film*

[ah_dut]

One thing I did notice was if threatened, shouting - BRING IT ON - in a sort of commando way, they don't bother and head off, seeing as they usually pick on weak individuals who wont fight back.

If Blair cracks down on them, then great!

I wholeheartedly agree...maybe I sound like a git, but the people they pick on tend to be old people and the disabled. Or people like me...grr, flippin 8 year olds with too much money and time on their hands...if you hit them, it's run to mummy time, even when they hit you first. Grrr

It does exist unfortuantely and it is a totally new thing, in relative terms. Maybe the last few months. It is the same people we are talking about in this thread who carry out the 'happy slappy' stuff.

Happy slapping is relatively old (i.e. a few years) it's just the videoing of it that's new. I say this as I have been happy slapped many timesover many years... most of the time it's a practical joke, but it can descend into a street assault.

Yeah, I'd agree, except I have no body fat so for survival I resort to wearing sweatshirts during winter... Some have hoods, but they aren't the huge ones most people in my school wear, and I never put them up...

EAT FOOD

[Kaiser of Arabia]

So basically, because of a few immature gangs that can easily be gotten rid of with a few bullets and a wall, the whole population who likes hoodies must suffer? Crack down on crime and not on the innocent.

[BDC]

So basically, because of a few immature gangs that can easily be gotten rid of with a few bullets and a wall, the whole population who likes hoodies must suffer? Crack down on crime and not on the innocent.

Well the only people who wear that sort of clothing are the ones who are banned. Really, it's a culture thing. Clothes are a compulsary bit along with being a school dropout and being talentless.

I'm not sure exactly how they will enforce it, but I suspect if you go in looking middle class with your family, whilst also wearing a hoodie, then you will be fine. As long as it's not a chav one. Hehe.

[The_Doctor]

So basically, because of a few immature gangs that can easily be gotten rid of with a few bullets and a wall, the whole population who likes hoodies must suffer? Crack down on crime and not on the innocent.

*Activates infinite improbability drive*

I agree with Kaiser, though the whole shooting them thing is a waste of manpower, instead send to the army.

[Templar Knight]

A few bullets? ermm, you would need an armoury.

[lanky316]

Where I live it is very quiet, although we have the
One thing I did notice was if threatened, shouting - BRING IT ON - in a sort of commando way, they don't bother and head off, seeing as they usually pick on weak individuals who wont fight back.

I've also found carrying a toy gun is enough to make them scatter, most of them are all mouth, no testicles and can't figure out the little plastic thing I've just told them they try anything I'l use doesn't work anyway.

[Templar Knight]

I've also found carrying a toy gun is enough to make them scatter, most of them are all mouth, no testicles and can't figure out the little plastic thing I've just told them they try anything I'l use doesn't work anyway.

its true yep,

another thing to do, if the situation gets heated, is hit the ringleader and the rest will run