Quote Originally Posted by Simetrical
True, but when it comes to matters not pertaining to war, rebels will serve just as well as a faction. We're in the process of removing all militarily insignificant factions from the game. Otherwise attempting to make the game realistic?
It's not, except for parts like accusing us of being arbitrary and then completely ignoring any attempt by me to explain our position. This whole discussion may be a little off-topic, however.
Well, we would be willing to get into such a debate. I suppose it's good that it's us and not you who are making the mod that focuses on history.
Why, precisely, should the original set of factions be inviolate?

-Simetrical

I'm not very good at this quoting thing, but fine, I will address your points in a few lines. First I want to say that the reason why this debate may actually be on topic is because there are so few finished mods to choose from. So discussing the shortcomings, or design issues with one mod to me seems appropiate here as we try and determine the best mod available.

So, here goes.

"True, but when it comes to matters not pertaining to war, rebels will serve just as well as a faction. We're in the process of removing all militarily insignificant factions from the game"

So, your intent is to replace civilizations that got steamrolled with other civilizations that got steamrolled? How is this not arbitrary?

"It's not, except for parts like accusing us of being arbitrary and then completely ignoring any attempt by me to explain our position. This whole discussion may be a little off-topic, however."

I feel that to discuss the nature or significance of one civilization in relation to another is pointless, racist, and even offensive. Jian has very astutely pointed out why such a discussion is to be avoided, littered with bias, it is a landscape of misconception and conceit.

"Well, we would be willing to get into such a debate. I suppose it's good that it's us and not you who are making the mod that focuses on history."

I don't think that does you any credit, and it is definitely *NOT* a good arguement when trying to defend yourself from the accusation of being arbitrary or heavy handed.

"Otherwise attempting to make the game realistic?"

The game is not about what happened. It is about what could of have happened, it is about what might have been. This is a problem for a lot of history sim modders. Nobody wants a history book, we want to rewrite the book ourselves.

"Why, precisely, should the original set of factions be inviolate?"

Because maybe people enjoyed playing them? I discount and do not accept your reasoning for replacing one minor faction with another. Therefore you have chosen to remove a faction that a lot of people liked to replace it with a faction of your own arbitrary choosing.

I realize it is your mod, and you can do whatever you want. I have stated that and I agree to respect your right to take the mod in whatever direction you choose. This thread is about the best mod out there and I am simply explaining why I think RTR is about to become the WORST mod.