Europe warns Iran... well sort of...

[PanzerJaeger]

[Leet Eriksson]

What? Do you know any religious laws. Mohamed(you know the guy who wrote the religious law) actually started wars with places. Ever since the beggining of Islam they have invaded places and forced population to become muslim.

You just undermined your own argument their BP, since all muslims (including shias) consider muhammed their prophet, whats stopping them from developing nukes if he did the so called mass massacres and force conversions of the neighbouring tribes in the peninsula?

[Byzantine Prince]

No I didn't. I didn't say Islamic countries can have nuclear weapons, I said they can go to war if they have to. Shia is very different form of Islam and it does not tolerate weapons of mass destruction.

[Leet Eriksson]

No I didn't. I didn't say Islamic countries can have nuclear weapons, I said they can go to war if they have to. Shia is very different form of Islam and it does not tolerate weapons of mass destruction.

Where is your evidence of that?

[Byzantine Prince]

I watched an interview with the minsiter of exterior of Iran and that's what he said. Quite clearly might I add.

[Leet Eriksson]

That says nothing about the Shia form of Islam. It should be documented, otherwise its not true, then again, Iran did seize the 3 islands that belonged to the UAE in 73, what does that tell you?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I watched an interview with the minsiter of exterior of Iran and that's what he said. Quite clearly might I add.

Well I think I can speak for us all , that now that you have confinced us that our fears were ill concieved and that you have now put to rest any trebidation we may have had on the matter . Bye the way I have a bridge you can buy for a real nice price.

Ill sleep better tonight knowing the Iranian Minister of the interior said that.

[Steppe Merc]

no one listens to their religious laws?
how can you come to that conclusion?

do you mean "many" choose to ignore "some" of their religious laws "at certain times"?

Um, yeah. That's what I meant... I tried saying that, but I got frustrated, and tried to make it more simpler since BP was ignoring me.

I watched an interview with the minsiter of exterior of Iran and that's what he said. Quite clearly might I add.

Like he'll actually say that he has nukes.

Uh oh, you are going to get your liberal member's card revoked. You are only allowed to bash Christians and Jews, you are not allowed to bash the religion of "peace".

Any claim to him being liberal, if he ever had any, was lost when he advocated the purging of millions of innocents.

And BP, where in the Koran does it say you can't have weapons of mass destruction? I really don't understand your argument... you claim that Mohammed was a war like person, but then say that their religion doesn't allow nukes? What about missiles? They almost certiantly have those, what's the difference between that and nukes?

And BP, it's incorrect to say that "Ever since the beggining of Islam they have invaded places and forced population to become muslim", since a few hundred years after Mohammed, they most certiantly allowed others to worship their own faiths.

[Byzantine Prince]

And BP, where in the Koran does it say you can't have weapons of mass destruction? I really don't understand your argument... you claim that Mohammed was a war like person, but then say that their religion doesn't allow nukes? What about missiles? They almost certiantly have those, what's the difference between that and nukes?

Nukes are most certainly designed to kill innocents which is not allowed in Islam. Missiles are designed to hit military targets which is not against their laws.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Nukes are most certainly designed to kill innocents which is not allowed in Islam.

So the Israeli children killed by the homocide bombers arent innocents hum? How about the child bombers themselves are they innocents? And of course we know that the 3000 who died on 911 were Nazis and far from innocent.

[Byzantine Prince]

I don't know I'm not Muslim. Many Muslims though will tell you that killing yourself is against their laws and that Israel citizens are astually innocent people.

It all depends on your point of view. I bet you in the eyes of those terrorists the people in the two towers were no innocent because they had been taught that way. It's all subjective.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Today

Iran Passes Pro-Uranium Enrichment Bill
Sunday, May 15, 2005

•
Iran Confirms It Took Key Nuclear Step
TEHRAN, Iran — Iran's (search) conservative-dominated parliament on Sunday approved a bill pressuring the government to pursue "peaceful use" of nuclear energy, including uranium enrichment (search).

The bill doesn't force the government to immediately resume uranium enrichment, but it brings greater pressure on it not to give up its controversial nuclear program.

The legislation comes at a delicate time, with Iran announcing that it's planning to resume uranium reprocessing activities and the European Union threatening to take Iran to the U.N. Security Council (search) for possible sanctions if it does.

"The government of the Islamic Republic of Iran is required to pursue, within the framework of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty ... to enable the country to make peaceful use of nuclear energy, including the cycle of nuclear fuel," the legislation said.

The legislation was approved by 188 out of 205 deputies who attended Sunday's parliamentary session.

Now most countries who have only a few nuclear plants but their fuel from other nations as its far less expensive than producing your own. There is no reason iin the world that Iran needs to make its own fuel and it would be far less expensive to buy it elsewhere. The same plant that makes this fuel can also make the needed material for a bomb.

[Adrian II]

The same plant that makes this fuel can also make the needed material for a bomb.

You mean they use it to make a bomb? Nah!... They already have one if you ask me. Courtesy of Mr Khan from Pakistan, no doubt.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

You mean they use it to make a bomb? Nah!... They already have one if you ask me. Courtesy of Mr Khan from Pakistan, no doubt.

I doubt they have the material yet. But I agree they probably have everything else. Thats why this is so important. But them dont worry BP informs us the Iranian minister of the interior assured him that nukes are against their religion and they could never even make them nevermind use them. So relax.

[Steppe Merc]

Any country that is pursuing uranium is almost certaintly pursuing nukes.

[kiwitt]

The reason we are so critical is that we want their oil.

Not quite; The US doesn't want Iran to sell it's oil in EURO's. IRAN is planning to start this in March 2006. This may set a precedent that may be followed by other countries and will ultimately cost the US a lot more money than any military action they may plan.

I think Iraq and Saudi Arabia were considering selling there oil in Euro's some time back. If the US dollar continues it's slide against the EURO, this may become more of an issue.

This is why the rhetoric against IRAN is picking up pace by the US.

BTW: If the US is not interested in Oil why is it's head of Foreign Affairs (i.e. Secretary of State) an ex-oil excutive.

[kiwitt]

Any country that is pursuing uranium is almost certaintly pursuing nukes.

Does that include Japan, Germany etc.

[Byzantine Prince]

Not quite; The US doesn't want Iran to sell it's oil in EURO's. IRAN is planning to start this in March 2006. This may set a precedent that may be followed by other countries and will ultimately cost the US a lot more money than any military action they may plan.

I think Iraq and Saudi Arabia were considering selling there oil in Euro's some time back. If the US dollar continues it's slide against the EURO, this may become more of an issue.

This is why the rhetoric against IRAN is picking up pace by the US.

BTW: If the US is not interested in Oil why is it's head of Foreign Affairs (i.e. Secretary of State) an ex-oil excutive.

Ahhhh, thanks kiwitt. I never thought of it that way, it makes sense now.

[Steppe Merc]

Does that include Japan, Germany etc.

Probably, though not sure if those countries have any sort of embargo implaced on them after WW2, and if it still applies today...

[Adrian II]

I doubt they have the material yet. But I agree they probably have everything else. Thats why this is so important. But them dont worry BP informs us the Iranian minister of the interior assured him that nukes are against their religion and they could never even make them nevermind use them. So relax.

I'm cool. This afternoon I called the Iranian embassy in The Hague to inform them of BP's fatwa on nuclear weapons and they were duly impressed. My prediction is we've heard the last of them for several decades.

Adrian Chamberlain

[Idomeneas]

I wonder what the so sensitive US gov. about radio active weapons, has to say about the contamination they caused to the ground of yugoslavia with the uranium elements conventional missile heads. Also what they think about the spreading of contamination due to the floods in all central europe 2 years ago.

[Adrian II]

I wonder what the so sensitive US gov. about radio active weapons, has to say about the contamination they caused to the ground of yugoslavia with the uranium elements conventional missile heads. Also what they think about the spreading of contamination due to the floods in all central europe 2 years ago.

They don't give a hoot, and neither would I. I think the issue is completely overblown. Nato whupped Milosevic good, albeit illegally, and then 'we' bought him from Belgrade for a nice price and put him in the Queen's hospitable Scheveningen Prison, where he is being served by well-mannered young men in impeccable uniforms who carry huge guns on their belts to protect him from any possible harm. And for the next hunded years if need be!

[Husar]

Does that include Japan, Germany etc.

As long as we keep electing the green party, certainly not. They want to get rid of all nuclear plants here, I guess they want to create new jobs by making people cycle for our energy-needs or something like this. If we have our 5 million unemployed cycle to keep the generators going maybe we can keep the lights on at night.

[Tribesman]

Can you tell me why a country with all that oil needs nuclear electrical generators ?
Thats a good question Gawain , and a very important one

Ask Congress You know , little answers about the sale by America of a research reactor in 1959 , the plans to have 23 nuclear generating plants on line by the 1990s . A little something to do with reducing Irans domestic energy reliance on oil and gas to free up more resources for export and increase their generation of export income .
Which report would you like to read for the answers to your question ? Your Governments or the International Atomic Agencies ?

[PanzerJaeger]

Hi Tribesman, havent seen you here in a little while.

[Tribesman]

Hi Panzer , yep , I've been out of the country for a couple of weeks .
Back again now , so in typical European fashion I will ask Dave a little question concerning his first post
In typical European fashion, they warn a regime of murderers and thugs that if the they keep misbehaving they are going to go to Kofi and his oil for food scandal buddies and tattle.
Could you inform me as to which country has released a report that confirms its citizens and businessess account for more of this Oil For Food bribes scandal than the rest of the world put together (52%) and also had its government actively involved in breaking sanctions and assisting others to break them ?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Ask Congress You know , little answers about the sale by America of a research reactor in 1959 , the plans to have 23 nuclear generating plants on line by the 1990s . A little something to do with reducing Irans domestic energy reliance on oil and gas to free up more resources for export and increase their generation of export income .
Which report would you like to read for the answers to your question ? Your Governments or the International Atomic Agencies ?

What has this got to do with reality? Iran has 6 plants scheduled and thats it. Its not economically feasible to produce fuel yourself for so few reactors. PS we dont get our oil from Iran.

[Tribesman]

Can you tell me why a country with all that oil needs nuclear electrical generators ?
That was your question Gawain , don't you like the answer ?

What has this got to do with reality?
Face reality Gawain

PS we dont get our oil from Iran.
So it was all fine and dandy for Iran to have Nuclear power when you were buying their oil , but now you don't they can't .

Its not economically feasible to produce fuel yourself for so few reactors.
Which is why they have the fuel deal with Russia .

[Gawain of Orkeny]

That was your question Gawain , don't you like the answer ?

You faiied to answer it. You told me why the US wanted it to have nuclear power back in the 50s.

Face reality Gawain

I do. The reality is this aint the 50s .

So it was all fine and dandy for Iran to have Nuclear power when you were buying their oil , but now you don't they can't .

Iran wasnt controlled by Islamic fundementalists in the 50s. Your camparing oranges and apples. If the UK were taken over by communists do you think we woulds still share our technologies with them. Iran has gone from our friend to our enemy. And you tell me to face reality.

Which is why they have the fuel deal with Russia .

Did they cancel it ? Did Russia refuse to provide it? If not then again why do they need to build this plant. This is one of the weakest arguments ive ever seen you put forth.

[English assassin]

Possibly OT but I am really not sure the world is a more dangerous place if Iran has a nuclear weapon or two. Its time we woke up to the fact that the nuclear genie is well and truly out of the bottle and started asking ourselves not how countries we don't like should be prevented from building a bomb or two, (but countries we do like can have lots) but rather (1) how we can make sure no one ever uses one and (2) how we can reduce the "pull" factor that persuades these countries that they need nukes.

For what its worth I would deal with (1) by announcing a doctine of total nuclear annihilation of any country that actually uses a nuke and to hell with war crimes, and (2) by stopping invading people.

Think about it. America can't seriously be challenged in conventional forces, but a couple of warheads are the modern equivalent of HMS Dreadnaught: at a stroke the preponderance of other forces is rendered irrelevant. No wonder everyone wants them.