How i think about religion

[The Stranger]

there is no such thing as religion. that doesn't mean i don't believe in god

i almost certainly know that nobody on this site is very poor/ or even poor at all. but what if you was very poor, your parents died of aids, you have to take care of your sisters and brothers, in the middle of war. you have hunger everyday. you're desperate, to who would you go when you are sad. To your parents? to your friends? or to a god? and don't say that the chances are small cuz they're big, that things like this happen.

still i say there is no such thing as religion. but if there is a thing that makes you happy, if there is a thing you can trust, if there is a thing that makes you survive, than that is a god.

doesn't matter if that thing is a Ferrari or your family or a man on a cloud. if that is what i need to be happy to live my life good or to even just go on with my life, than that's my GOD.

cuz believing is thrusting without knowing it's real. but if that's what it takes, than i believe.

so there is no thing as religion, that's why there are no atheists, that's why there are no christs or muslims. that's why nobody believes the same.

this is not to convince people, just to let them know how i think about it.

[John86]

Perhaps this is better suited for the backroom?

[Voigtkampf]

This is Backroom stuff.

Btw, spell-check is your friend.

[IliaDN]

As far as I understood your thought you mean that everyone needs something to belive in ... well I accept it , but you can't say that there is no religion just because lot's of people belive that there is religion.

[Byzantine Prince]

What the funken wagnos( )?

There is religion. Religion is a set of rules and truths that people choose to beleave in that involve a higher being. There most certainly is a religion.

Now the existence of god is farely debatable because no one can prove either way.

[IliaDN]

As far as I understood the author he just meant that true faith is unique for every single individual and must not be affected by any rules , and also that person must have something to belive in.

[The Stranger]

finaly sumone who understands

[The Stranger]

This is Backroom stuff.

Btw, spell-check is your friend.

i use that, maybe there are grammatical errors, but the only word that's wrong is CUZ

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

What the hell? Backroom'd!

[Quietus]

finaly sumone who understands

Umeu, That's the best thing you've ever written.

[The Stranger]

Umeu, That's the best thing you've ever written.

how you mean. this line or the topic

[Quietus]

how you mean. this line or the topic

The topic of course!

[bmolsson]

The most modern religion is called money.....

[Idomeneas]

The most modern religion is called money.....

No in fact it is the oldest one

[The Stranger]

No in fact it is the oldest one

yup that's right. have been thinking to put that in too. cuz if you have money you can buy yourself out of most worries. that's why the most "so called" atheists are in rich lands, and cn't understand why there are people that believe in a god

[Uesugi Kenshin]

I understand why people believe in God(s), they are a nice way to give you hope, relieve worries and give your life direction, but I personally cannot accept the notion that there is a diety, especially after all the bad things religion has done.

[bmolsson]

No in fact it is the oldest one

Nope, the oldest religion is called pussy......

[Papewaio]

yup that's right. have been thinking to put that in too. cuz if you have money you can buy yourself out of most worries. that's why the most "so called" atheists are in rich lands, and cn't understand why there are people that believe in a god

Or the lands might be rich because they base their ideas on verifiable facts rather then unverifiable ones.

Knowledge is power. Knowledge that is not allowed to be tested defeats the purpose.

[Al Khalifah]

It's probably a chicken and an egg problem. On the one hand, some people got very rich out of religion but at the same time religion does seem to be at its strongest in areas of poverty.

I understand why people believe in God(s), they are a nice way to give you hope, relieve worries and give your life direction, but I personally cannot accept the notion that there is a diety, especially after all the bad things religion has done.

Its the bad things that people do in the name of the religion, but people also do many good things in the name of religion. God gave mankind free will on the belief that mankind would make mistakes, but that it would learn that from these mistakes and grow to be stronger. You can't blame God for the deeds of evil men.
Parents let their children play contact sports because they're fun. There's a high chance that at some point their children will be hurt. When they do so, can they argue that their parents were being negligent?

[The Stranger]

Or the lands might be rich because they base their ideas on verifiable facts rather then unverifiable ones.

Knowledge is power. Knowledge that is not allowed to be tested defeats the purpose.

yeah or they're rich because they used religion to supress other people, and said it was good because their religion said so.

like this.

we should go get some slaves
why?
because it is our duty as a good christ to let these barbarians get in touch with our god.

this could be a reason why they're rich dont you think

[Idomeneas]

Nope, the oldest religion is called pussy......

granted

[Idomeneas]

Why dont we seperate god and religion? Even if we dont believe in a higher spirit doesnt mean it does not exist and vice versa.
And just a thought. Who told us that god is our babysitter? some sun stroke desert beggars? most of the evil on earth doesnt need divine intervention (not the Slayer album) but HUMAN.
Did god ordered any war? any abuse? i dont recall that. Now if some jerks in robes did for their own reasons, its not God's matter IMO.

We dont need god to stop killing each other. We know what the problem is, we just close our eyes. My opinion about church is known. They exchanged the old gods for the new nothing else changed. 90% of christian rituals are based on ancient ones and most religions are based on older philosophies and beliefs. Religion is a way to contact god somekind of phone. If the phones are broken that doesnt mean the location we are calling does not exist.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

[QUOTE=Its the bad things that people do in the name of the religion, but people also do many good things in the name of religion. God gave mankind free will on the belief that mankind would make mistakes, but that it would learn that from these mistakes and grow to be stronger. You can't blame God for the deeds of evil men.
Parents let their children play contact sports because they're fun. There's a high chance that at some point their children will be hurt. When they do so, can they argue that their parents were being negligent?[/QUOTE]


Would religious people still do those good things without religion, if so religion is in a practical way more trouble than it is worth. In my opinion fanatical devotion to a religion, especially a religion with militant roots, is far too dangerous to make up for it with the gtood things done by some religious people.

By dangerous I mean harmful, oppressive and such not that religion threatens me or anyone in particular as a concept.

[Papewaio]

When people do evil why not lose faith in Man not God?

[The Stranger]

Why dont we seperate god and religion? Even if we dont believe in a higher spirit doesnt mean it does not exist and vice versa.
And just a thought. Who told us that god is our babysitter? some sun stroke desert beggars? most of the evil on earth doesnt need divine intervention (not the Slayer album) but HUMAN.
Did god ordered any war? any abuse? i dont recall that. Now if some jerks in robes did for their own reasons, its not God's matter IMO.

We dont need god to stop killing each other. We know what the problem is, we just close our eyes. My opinion about church is known. They exchanged the old gods for the new nothing else changed. 90% of christian rituals are based on ancient ones and most religions are based on older philosophies and beliefs. Religion is a way to contact god somekind of phone. If the phones are broken that doesnt mean the location we are calling does not exist.

good speech
btw
that is a bit what i said, there is (or shouldn't be) a religion. cuz if there is a thing that makes you feel good, forget all your worries and makes you go on with oyur life than that's your god. so you can have multiple gods ofcourse.
you don't have to convince people that your god is better. cuz maybe your god doesn't make the other man happy.

[The Stranger]

Would religious people still do those good things without religion, if so religion is in a practical way more trouble than it is worth. In my opinion fanatical devotion to a religion, especially a religion with militant roots, is far too dangerous to make up for it with the gtood things done by some religious people.

By dangerous I mean harmful, oppressive and such not that religion threatens me or anyone in particular as a concept.

but the religions is invented by people to still there hunger for might. the bible is written by people to make people think what they're doing is good, cuz it is written in the bible.

so in some way yes religions are dangerous, but are gods dangerous, i don't think so. people use gods as excuse to do things that aren't right. people use gods to explain things they can't understand. now we all know where lightning comes from, and why it rains and stuff. but when religion was invented they didn't. so the used rituals to make the gods happy. so are now the gods dangerous or the people who follow the people that want might, and use the religions as a excuse to do so.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

If religion is just what makes you feel overwhelmingly happy/at ease I have not found Jesus. (Jehova's witness reference for those without the door to door "Have You Found Jesus?"ites.)

Back when science was in its infancy and religion was the main source of answers I would probably have been an ardent deist of some religion, but today...

Well I have never had faith and the contradictions inherent in almost all religions are just another reason for my enthusiastic Atheism.

I never siad gods are dangerous, though if they existed they would be. But I think religion is definately dangerous and in some ways I hope that it will shrivel up and die, though I would never make any action towards this end because I respect other's beliefs. I think it would reflect much better on humanity if we did not require religion anymore to tell us to look out for our neighbors and be responsible and helpful members of society.

[The Stranger]

but how do you know they don't. i mean if your child is the one that makes you live your life, and makes you happy, she is your god. does she not exist. a god doesn't always has to be a religion. THE GOD is only one god outa millions. and everyone has a different one and a different view about things.

and because you don't believe in a religion, doesn't mean that there is no god for you. if atheist means not believing in religions you're a atheist and i'm too. cuz i don't believe the bible or the pope, but i do believe that there are gods. they can be close so close that it could be my brand new FERRARI outside the door (not that i have one)

and tell me why are gods dangerous if they existed (as you claim they don't)

[Uesugi Kenshin]

Think about it, an overwhelmingly powerful being. How is that not dangerous? No matter what that amount of power is dangerous, it may not be harmful if used correctly but vast amounts of power is always dangerous.

If I used your definition of gods I would not have one because no one thing makes me feel that way.

What you call a god is more like the greatest and most beautiful aspect of your life. I have no idea what word I would use to describe that, but I think that sort of thing can exist, though it be difficult to find and harder still to obtain. I also doubt it would be material possessions for most, but you never know.

[The Stranger]

i agree, (btw it was just a example). you actually comfirmed what i said, cuz it is not the gods that are dangerous but the people that use the gods to gain power. that's why religion is pretty bad (only good thing are the holidays) but the gods aren't.