Do you beleave in God(Poll)

[Byzantine Prince]

Agnosticism is a form of atheism. You don't know for sure weather god exists, correct?

Well if you are skeptic that means that your brain knows that there is no god but the futility and meaninglessness of the world bend your will to saying: "well maybe he does exist since without him the world is meaningless". So deep in your logical part of the brain you KNOW, you are 100%, god does not exist, but in your emotional part you think he does. You are split because you haven't considered other options


Well maybe the world is MEANT to be random and meaningless. Maybe THAT is the meaning of it.

[GoreBag]

Agnosticism is a form of atheism. You don't know for sure weather god exists, correct?

Well if you are skeptic that means that your brain knows that there is no god but the futility and meaninglessness of the world bend your will to saying: "well maybe he does exist since without him the world is meaningless". So deep in your logical part of the brain you KNOW, you are 100%, god does not exist, but in your emotional part you think he does. You are split because you haven't considered other options

Assumption alert. How do you know how all Agnostics think?

[Craterus]

I believe in God.

[Devastatin Dave]

I believe in God and I believe he has a wonderful sense of humor, that's why BP is here.

[Adrian II]

I believe in God and I believe he has a wonderful sense of humor, that's why BP is here.

The 'yays' are gaining on the 'nays'.. Quick, somebody, redefine the premises!

[Big_John]

i voted "no". i'm kind of an apathetic atheist. i don't care whether there is a god(s) or not.. but if i had to pick for some reason, i'm definitely in the nay camp until i see a miracle or something.

[Adrian II]

i voted "no". i'm kind of an apathetic atheist. i don't care whether there is a god(s) or not..

Funny, that goes for me too, only I feel I am forced to care because religion is still such a big deal in today's world. Sometimes I catch myself looking at religious services or processions the way we watch tv history programmes about funny aviation concepts that never made it into the sky. Know what I mean?

[Big_John]

Know what I mean?

of course not, adrian. i never know what you mean.

i will say that while i don't care if god exists, i do care whether other people believe such, mainly for practical reasons.

[Proletariat]

Funny, that goes for me too, only I feel I am forced to care because religion is still such a big deal in today's world.

Me three, but I still think we're better off with the majority of people at least trying to follow things like the Ten Commandments or Pillars or whatever.

[Templar Knight]

I do believe in God - but not some old guy on a cloud - more of a creative force. And as you know i'm not religious.

[Lazul]

agnostic vote here, so no god, but that doesnt say much.

[bmolsson]

I don't believe in God. If he exist, he doesn't deserve to be believed in........

[Uesugi Kenshin]

NO!

Anyway, beyond my enthusiasm for Atheism it seems that more people do not believe than do believe. 26 to 22 at the moment. Hurray for Atheism!

[Skomatth]

I believe in a God, more specifically an omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent God...with strange reasons for making us all

How did you determine that God possess these characteristics? I for one find them quite irreconcilable. Take for one God's supposed omnipotence, omniscience and benevolence (or more typically called his perfect goodness IIRC). Then the Argument from Evil is quite easy to make.

(1) If God exists then he is omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good.
(2) If God were omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good then the world would not contain evil.
(3) The world contains evil.
Therefore:
(4) It is not the case that God exists.

[Craterus]

I believe that God has evil in the world because there has to be a balance of good and evil. Life would be rather boring if evil did not exist.

[Big_John]

Skomatth, does one have to deterime the characteristics of a thing to believe in it? (not a rhtorical question, btw)

other than that, how do you justify (2) and (3)? why would "the world" be deviod of evil if such a god existed? and how do you know "evil" exists in the world?

[Skomatth]

Skomatth, does one have to deterime the characteristics of a thing to believe in it? (not a rhtorical question, btw)

other than that, how do you justify (2) and (3)? why would "the world" be deviod of evil if such a god existed? and how do you know "evil" exists in the world?

Big_John I take it that you mean "believe" as "believe to exist", else I don't see any other meaningful connotation. To believe in a god one does not have to determine the characteristics of it, merely the characteristic of existence. People do this in many different ways, using a variety of arguments- cosmological, ontological personal etc. If one asserts a characteristic beyond existence, there must be a reason to believe it, or I can make an assertion exactly contrary to yours and it will be equally justified. We can also rule out certain characteristics of God if they lead to a false conclusion.

I of course did not come up with the argument from evil; it is just a basic example of how to counter ah_dut's assertions. "Evil" and "good" come from the Christian connotations. (2) is justified thusly: If God is perfectly good, He
wants the best for mankind. If He is all-knowing, he knows exactly how to bring about the best for mankind. If He is all-powerful, He is able to bring about the best for mankind. It is easy to see that evil exists in the world if one takes evil to mean: "contrary to the will of a Christian God".

[ah_dut]

How did you determine that God possess these characteristics? I for one find them quite irreconcilable. Take for one God's supposed omnipotence, omniscience and benevolence (or more typically called his perfect goodness IIRC). Then the Argument from Evil is quite easy to make.

(1) If God exists then he is omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good.
(2) If God were omniscient, omnipotent and perfectly good then the world would not contain evil.
(3) The world contains evil.
Therefore:
(4) It is not the case that God exists.

Sounds really lame but he/she/it is God...I cannot judge God, not can I put God into a box...faith is required. I cannot rationalize it properly, I believe perhaps foolishly but I nevertheless believe

[Adrian II]

Sounds really lame but he/she/it is God...I cannot judge God, not can I put God into a box...faith is required. I cannot rationalize it properly, I believe perhaps foolishly but I nevertheless believe

Hurin Roolz.

*Slaps God in a box*

[Snowhobbit]

Agnosticism is a form of atheism. You don't know for sure weather god exists, correct?

Well if you are skeptic that means that your brain knows that there is no god but the futility and meaninglessness of the world bend your will to saying: "well maybe he does exist since without him the world is meaningless". So deep in your logical part of the brain you KNOW, you are 100%, god does not exist, but in your emotional part you think he does. You are split because you haven't considered other options


Well maybe the world is MEANT to be random and meaningless. Maybe THAT is the meaning of it.

I don't "beleave" in God simply because I'm not sure if he exists, it can't really be proven that he doesn't exist hence it is reasonable to doubt his existence. I don't mix in any emotions, my belief has nothing to do with conceiving the world to be meaningless, infact I don't perceive the world as meaningless...

[Byzantine Prince]

I don't "beleave" in God simply because I'm not sure if he exists, it can't really be proven that he doesn't exist hence it is reasonable to doubt his existence. I don't mix in any emotions, my belief has nothing to do with conceiving the world to be meaningless, infact I don't perceive the world as meaningless...

If so then you are not agnostic. You are what Big_John is, which is apathetic atheists. You just don't care weather god exists or not. You don't even want to deal with that. accept accept reality as it is rationally concivable: total and obsolete randomness and meaningless until you give it your own individual meaning.

[GoreBag]

If so then you are not agnostic. You are what Big_John is, which is apathetic atheists. You just don't care weather god exists or not. You don't even want to deal with that. accept accept reality as it is rationally concivable: total and obsolete randomness and meaningless until you give it your own individual meaning.

That's "whether".