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    By Tom Barrett (05/16/05)

    Columnist Charles Krauthammer describes PBS as a "Wholly-owned subsidiary of liberalism." Although that is most certainly an accurate characterization, I never thought I would see the day when the national media would be discussing taking tax money away from Public Television.

    The New York Times recently ran an article titled "Time to Defund PBS?" The bias at PBS has gotten so bad that the president of The Corporation for Public Broadcasting has acknowledged that its programming leans to the left. All Americans support PBS with their taxes, but the "Public" network pushes a far-left agenda that represents the beliefs of only a fraction of taxpayers.

    Although I do not believe this, some would make the case that there was a time when the United States actually needed PBS. There were three networks that controlled what Americans saw on television. Our younger readers won't remember this, but there was really a time when you could not surf 240 channels. This was that wonderful period in our history prior to the advent of the Communist News Network (CNN).

    The Big Three seldom ran historical or scientific programming. TV was for entertainment, and history and science just weren't all that entertaining to the masses. But if America needed PBS then, it certainly does not need it today. The History Channel and the Discovery Network, along with a host of other free programming sources, more than fill our needs for culture and education. PBS is simply no longer needed.

    The Corporation for Public Broadcasting was created to feed from the public trough by a group of elitists who convinced Congress that the Untied States would become a vast cultural wasteland if the government did not pay for alternative programming. Instead of insisting that public schools teach our children effectively, these well-meaning but misguided folks believed that the one-eyed babysitter could transform our children into privileged geniuses who could quote all the major passages of Shakespeare and hum complete Mozart symphonies.

    Regardless of whether there was ever a need for PBS, you will never convince me that it was ever constitutional or even sensible for our government to underwrite any part of its horrendous cost. Historically, art and culture have been supported by wealthy patrons. That is as it should be. But I defy anyone to show me that portion of the Constitution of the United States that mandates (or even allows) our government to pay for culture. If the elitist believe that there is a need for PBS today, let them pay for it. The majority of Americans should not be forced to pay for it through their taxes.

    Ken Tomlinson, the aforementioned president of The Corporation for Public Broadcasting, started this debate by declaring that NOW With Bill Moyers was so left-leaning that it jeopardized PBS's tax-exempt status and its government funding. He stated, "I frankly feel at PBS headquarters there is a tone deafness to issues of tone and balance." The Corporation Tomlinson heads dispenses hundreds of millions of our tax dollars to public television and radio every year. Tomlinson is responsible for seeing that that money is spent in a legal manner.

    It is illegal for tax-exempt entities to support political parties or candidates. Anyone who has had the stomach to watch PBS's "public affairs" programming over the last decade cannot question the network's undying support for the Democrat platform and Democrat candidates. If there were a viable Socialist Party in this nation, PBS would be campaigning for them.

    So the liberals are crying that Tomlinson is trying to kill PBS. Far from it. Tomlinson is trying to SAVE PBS. He knows that Public Television stands to lose government funding if it does not start reporting issues in a fair and balanced manner. If anyone questions whether PBS's political programming is UNfair and UNbalanced, they can simply go to area of the PBS website that lists the programs appearing on NOW (see LINK below). Every one currently listed is either negative toward the United States or toward our military personnel.

    Tomlinson commissioned an independent study of Moyers' NOW program. It found (no big surprise) that the show consistently slanted its coverage to benefit fringe leftist causes and ideologies, and was equally consistent in its hostility toward conservative and middle of the road Americans.

    Let me close with a small sampling of "NOW with Bill Moyers" programming. Please understand that this program is not an anomaly on PBS. While it is arguably the most blatantly liberal program on Public Television, it as just one of a plethora of highly objectionable programs that attempt to brainwash the American people in favor of the hard left point of view.

    Let's start with a November, 2004 article in Current newspaper, a publication for PBS insiders. It reported that a six-month review of Moyers showed that "of the 75 segments over six months that treated controversial issues like the Iraq War, the state of the economy and the corrupting influence of corporate money on politics, only 13 included anyone who spoke against the thrust of the segment." So Moyers was not only allowed to slant the news in these shows, he was allowed to exclude any balancing comments in 83% of them.

    Moyers has stated on his program, "Somebody said to me the other day that Americans don't behead, but we do drop smart bombs that do it for us." Even Tom Daschle and Ted Kennedy wouldn't make such a horrible statement, but Moyers didn't hesitate to accuse our brave military of being terrorists who behead innocent civilians with bombs.

    L. Brent Bozell, in an article on Human Events Online (see LINK below) had this to say about a NOW program in 2004: In November, Moyers attacked Condoleezza Rice and her successor as national security adviser, Stephen Hadley, for their "pattern of ineptness," and despaired as the president turned America's credibility in the world over to "two of the people who helped shred it. Both are known first and foremost for loyalty to the official view of reality, no matter the evidence to the contrary."

    Moyers, in an interview with an extremely liberal nun named Joan Chittister, asked, "Depending on the sources, Sister Joan, there have been 37,000 civilians killed in Iraq, or as many perhaps as 100,000. Why is abortion a higher moral issue with many American Christians than the invasion of Iraq and the loss of life there?" The lefty nun agreed that dropping bombs is "military abortion." Military abortion? Where do they get these people?

    I could go on, but it should be clear to anyone with discernment that Moyers and the management of PBS:
    1) Are extremely liberal, far to the left of the majority of Americans.
    2) They take every opportunity to bash our military personnel.
    3) They use their platform for overtly political bashing of the President and his agenda.
    4) And they do all of the above illegally through a non-profit corporation that receives many millions of our tax dollars from the federal government.

    PBS, reacting to public scrutiny, has removed Moyers from the NOW program and reduced it to 30 minutes. But he is still a player at PBS, he has a new show, and his former show still spews forth liberal hatred and lies.

    If there was ever a time when the US needed PBS, that time passed a long tome ago. There was never a time when it was legal or constitutional to steal money from citizens through taxation to support causes that most of us deplore. Public sentiment is starting to turn toward defunding Public Television. I encourage all of you to contact your representatives and say, "TURN PBS OFF - FOR GOOD!" Let PBS raise its money through its famous beg-a-thons.

    I will close with a quote from Ross Mackenzie's blog on Townhall.com (see LINK below). "Will anyone seriously contend that if Ken Tomlinson were asking public broadcasting to be fairer to the left than to moderates and conservatives, he would be blasted - as he amply is blasted now - for comments that have a 'chilling effect' and threaten public broadcasting's editorial independence?"
    Its time has come and gone.
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    I never have it on besides the britcoms.

    It can exist, but the whole news/political team should be fired or at least reigned in.

    They are Public broadcasting, and as of now they represent only a tiny fringe of the radical left in this country.

    They shouldnt kick all the liberals out or anything, just make it fair and balanced.

    The country is about 50/50, so should be their coverage.

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    The History Channel and the Discovery Network, along with a host of other free programming sources, more than fill our needs for culture and education. PBS is simply no longer needed.

    The Corporation for Public Broadcasting was created to feed from the public trough by a group of elitists who convinced Congress that the Untied States would become a vast cultural wasteland if the government did not pay for alternative programming.
    Maybe a spelling channel is required.

    When someone rants about education they should spell correctly at least to the local variant...
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    When someone rants about education they should spell correctly at least to the local variant...
    Looks more like a typo to me. Is that the best you can do?

    It can exist, but the whole news/political team should be fired or at least reigned in.
    There is no reason to have it at all anymore other than for those who dont get cable or satilite.
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    It may be slanted. But isn't the whole idea of a vibrant democracy to allow freedom of speech from all sources?

    Moyers has stated on his program, "Somebody said to me the other day that Americans don't behead, but we do drop smart bombs that do it for us." Even Tom Daschle and Ted Kennedy wouldn't make such a horrible statement, but Moyers didn't hesitate to accuse our brave military of being terrorists who behead innocent civilians with bombs.
    It is a horrible statement. However I wouldn't call it a leftist statement more of a shock jock one. I prefer a less sensationalist media on all fronts.

    I also find it hard to jump from:

    "Somebody said to me the other day that Americans don't behead, but we do drop smart bombs that do it for us."

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    "accuse our brave military of being terrorists who behead innocent civilians with bombs."

    Saying that bombs behead people (or de-limb) them is not the same as saying that the act itself is a terrorist one. Sure terrorists behead people but so does the Saudi Government. Beheading in itself is not a terrorist act. Just a gruesome one. I'm sure more American bombs decapitate people then American bayonets. However it is not the act that makes a terrorist act, it is what was being done. If a mortar misses its military target and hits a market it is a military accident. While a mortar aimed at a market and hitting a military convoy is still a terrorist act as the primary aim was to kill civilians.

    Even if bombs kill civilians by decapitation it does not make it a terrorist act unless civilians where the primary target.
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    antiques roadshow is awesome.

    edit: though nature kinda sucks since george page stopped narrating..
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    It may be slanted. But isn't the whole idea of a vibrant democracy to allow freedom of speech from all sources?
    Not if were all paying for it. Then it should be fair and balanced. Oh thats right thats FOX news Maybe the public should pay for that. Then would you still agree to pay for it? It may be slanted. But isn't the whole idea of a vibrant democracy to allow freedom of speech from all sources?
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    Sh*t - and ive been running around this entire time saying "im from the untied states"

    what an idiot ive been!

    PBS is trash
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
    Not if were all paying for it. Then it should be fair and balanced. Oh thats right thats FOX news Maybe the public should pay for that.
    We do pay for that - News International isn't taxed in any EU country as it is too powerful. One of the reasons Murdoch is so anti-Eu is because there would finally be a body big enough to take him on.
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    How does not taxing you're paying for it? I love this kind of logic, Idaho you should go work as a PR man for an American Senator.
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    Fear is a terrible motivation.

    I have a better one...

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    This paper is not based on fear.

    It's amazing that some people have to be reminded of this document.
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    History and Discovery is better anyway. PBS does suck, except for when I was little and I watched Arthur. Just take away their tax money, and I think they ought to continue to brodcast. But we don't need to pay them to do so.
    But how much political stuff does it run? I thought it was just cartoons and some inferior history programming and nature shows...
    edit: Sometimes it plays like Concert for George or something, which is good, but then they have those damn fun drives every ten seconds, and they cut half of it out....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    How does not taxing you're paying for it? I love this kind of logic, Idaho you should go work as a PR man for an American Senator.
    Companies operating in the UK untaxed are in effect being heavily subsidised. They are not paying for the huge state infrastructure required to make a modern economy function. I shouldn't need to be teaching you these basics.
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    We don’t need public television any more although IMO we did in the past. NPR, on the other hand, I would sorely miss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho
    Companies operating in the UK untaxed are in effect being heavily subsidised. They are not paying for the huge state infrastructure required to make a modern economy function. I shouldn't need to be teaching you these basics.
    They should pay for the privelege of making a buck, aah, okay. The old Socialist argument that everything really belongs to the State and we should be thanful we get kept to keep any of it. Thanks for the refresher lesson.

    If the UK is subsidizing network television, perhaps therin the prolbems lie. In the US, companys have to pay the FCC for bandwidth (independent of taxes), they have to pay for their power, their buildings, pretty much all the costs of doing business. Maybe you guys might want to think about transferring these costs, which you're claiming your government pays, back to the media conglomerates?
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    There's nothing wrong with PBS. Shutting it down because it's "leftist" is the most hilariously American thing I've ever heard. Battlefied Britain has been showing on PBS for months, way before the History Channel got it. Besides, it's not just the American who pays for it - The PBS I watch (Watertown) gets a fair share of its money from viewer donations from Canada.

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    Oy, my parents refuse to get cable, and I hate it anyways. History Channel is second rate shite, as is Discovery (I've seen the most ridiculous history shows on the History Channel that show the common man's basic history; they are hardly comprehensive). The different PBS stations in different areas run different shows. Here, in the realm of political/news showing, they do the News Hour With Jim Lehrer (they have most people represented with interviews and roundtables), which goes into more depth on issues than I've seen in any other news program, BBC World News (generally liberal), Frontline (generally liberal), and sort of Wisconsin's News program. Fun to watch, for random bits of in-depth history, is Antiques Roadshow.

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    If you do not like a TV Channel could you just not watch it? or is PBS like the BBC in the UK where you have to pay for it if you own a tv?
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Edward
    If you do not like a TV Channel could you just not watch it? or is PBS like the BBC in the UK where you have to pay for it if you own a tv?
    It's funded by taxes - "Public Broadcast Station", I believe.

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    If you do not like a TV Channel could you just not watch it? or is PBS like the BBC in the UK where you have to pay for it if you own a tv?
    No you have to pay for it whether you own a tv or not.
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    Ahh ok sorry for being Ignorant on that, i now understand the Debate.

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    Id say keep it on the air just for "Are You Being Served?" and "Keeping Up Appearances".

    Destroy every vestige of Frontline though - the anti-american liberal tripe.

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    I wouldn't have any problem at all with "Now, by Bill Moyers" or Frontline, or Say Brother, or any of the other more Left leaning shows on PBS, if they allowed for opposing viewpoints. But I don't think it's the government's place to pay for the propaganda of one side in what is essentially a 2 horse race.
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    Err... Liberals are pro-American. In fact, I think Conservatives are truly anti-American, simply because they have done so much damage to America, no matter what their party affilation.
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    Err... Liberals are pro-American.
    Only if you think saying the US is bad makes you pro american

    I think Conservatives are truly anti-American, simply because they have done so much damage to America, no matter what their party affilation.
    Examples please.
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    I really don't see how anyone can be anti American. Mabye anti America, but as long as you are an American, I don't see how you can be an anti American.
    And not all Liberals hate America. Some just hate the actions, or the current people in charge. To hate America would envolve hating the gov, country, people, and culture, and not too many people hate all of those...

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    In certain corners, at home and abroad, people are indeed 'anti-American' and resent and loathe all the things you mention. That being said, it's a term that's in danger of losing it's meaning due to over usage.
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    Well abroad, yeah I can see that.
    But as being someone who has been branded as anti American in real life, I don't really think it applies to that many people. I may not agree with the countries actions, past or present, and I'm not like proud of it, but I don't hate it, or practice (too many ) non American actions, whatever those are. And I certiantly don't hate the people here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanzerJager

    Destroy every vestige of Frontline though - the anti-american liberal tripe.
    Funny you should say that. It was a Frontline episode that made me have more respect for G.W. Bush.
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    "Funny you should say that. It was a Frontline episode that made me have more respect for G.W. Bush."

    I remember that one; it had the same effect on me.

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