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    It's all over the American news. I'm just getting up to speed on this guy, but his testimony was fascinating:

    British lawmaker blasts U.S. on Iraq allegations
    'Mother of all smokescreens,' he says of claims he got oil vouchers
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    Updated: 12:09 p.m. ET May 17, 2005

    WASHINGTON - Ripping into the Bush administration and a senator who called a hearing on the Iraq oil-for-food scandal, British lawmaker George Galloway rejected charges he profited from the U.N.-sanctioned program and called the allegations "the mother of all smokescreens."

    “I am not now, nor have I ever been, an oil trader, and neither has anyone on my behalf,” he told the U.S. Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations as he began refuting the committee’s accusations that ousted Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein gave him credits to export Iraqi oil.

    “I have never seen a barrel of oil, owned one, bought one, sold one, and neither has anybody on my behalf,” Galloway said, claiming that the documents the Senate subcommittee relied on had been forged and were proven as such in Britain.

    Senator called 'cavalier'
    Addressing the Republican chairman of the committee, Sen. Norm Coleman of Minnesota, he added: “Now I know that standards have slipped over the last few years in Washington, but for a lawyer, you are remarkably cavalier with any idea of justice.”

    Galloway was a witness before the committee that is examining how Saddam used oil to reward politicians, particularly from Russia, France and Britain, under the United Nations oil-for-food program.

    He called the Bush administration's reasons for going to war in Iraq "a pack of lies" and said investigators should instead focus on U.S. companies that dealt with Saddam. "The real sanctions busters were your own companies," he told senators.

    Galloway, a maverick kicked out of the British Labour Party for his fervent opposition to the Iraq war and for personal attacks on Prime Minister Tony Blair, has dismissed allegations by the committee that he benefited from the program.

    The committee last week released documents it said showed Saddam gave Galloway the rights to export 20 million barrels of oil under the defunct humanitarian program.

    'Republican lynch mob'
    Pursued by a crowd of British journalists, Galloway arrived at the hearing just minutes before it began reviewing testimony.

    “This group of neocons (neoconservatives) is involved in the mother of all smokescreens,” he said of the committee. “I want to turn the tables on this neocon, pro-Israel, pro-war, Republican lynch mob.”

    He earlier told Reuters that he had "no expectation of justice from a group of Christian fundamentalist and Zionist activists under the chairmanship of a neocon (President) George Bush who is pro-war.”

    “I come not as the accused but as the accuser,” he added.

    “It’s Mr. Coleman who’s been all over the news and he’s a lick-spittle, crazed neocon who is engaged in a witch hunt against all those he perceives to have betrayed the United States in their plan to invade and occupy Iraq,” Galloway told Associated Press Television News.

    “I’m not going there to change the minds of the committee, but to appeal to public opinion and to show just how absurd this report is,” he said. “Justice George Bush style ... is what I expect from the rightwing hawks in Washington.”

    Former French Interior Minister Charles Pasqua, now a French senator, also was named in the Senate report, which said he got vouchers for 11 million barrels. Pasqua, who also angrily denied the allegations, will not be at the hearing.

    The U.N. oil-for-food program, which began in late 1996 and ended in 2003, was aimed at easing the impact of sanctions imposed after Saddam’s troops invaded Kuwait in 1990.

    Baghdad was allowed to sell oil to buy basic goods and could negotiate its own contracts, but the program has been dogged by allegations of massive fraud and charges Saddam used it to buy influence in the West.

    Russian allegations
    Coleman said Tuesday’s hearing would also give details about the massive volume of Iraqi oil allocations to Russia’s presidential council, which advises President Vladimir Putin.

    A Senate report released Monday said Saddam’s government provided Putin’s former chief of staff, Alexander Voloshin, and the council with oil rights worth nearly $3 million in exchange for support to lift U.N. sanctions against Iraq imposed in August 1990 after Baghdad’s troops invaded Kuwait.

    Senate investigators said there was no evidence that Putin knew of the payments.

    The committee also said 75 million barrels of oil were allocated to Vladimir Zhirinovsky, an ultranationalist Russian parliamentarian who made frequent visits to Iraq, or his political party.

    U.S. looked other way?
    In both cases, the Houston-based firm Bayoil Inc. or its subsidiaries helped arrange transport and contracts to sell the oil in the United States and elsewhere, according to the report, which was released by the minority Democrats on Coleman’s subcommittee.

    The new document studied two issues: Bayoil’s involvement in oil-for-food and a single instance that saw Saddam’s regime smuggle more than 7 million barrels of oil out of the Iraqi port of Khor al-Amaya, apparently with U.S. knowledge, in the weeks before the U.S.-led invasion in 2003.

    Democrats on the committee said the report suggested that Washington looked the other way as Bayoil bought Iraqi crude and sold it to American refineries.

    “We’ve got to look in the mirror at ourselves as well as point fingers at others,” Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., told reporters.

    The report found that Bayoil imported some 200 million barrels over two years starting in September 2000 and sold it to U.S. oil companies. That was at a time when Saddam was trying to tinker with the price of oil so that when he sold it, companies could be compelled to pay him kickbacks.

    The report claimed that Bayoil paid “directly or indirectly” some $37 million in kickbacks to Saddam even at a time that the United States and other members of the council had realized what Saddam was doing and began ordering price hikes to quash the kickbacks scheme.

    Bayoil then sold the crude to U.S. companies, though there is no evidence the companies knew about the kickbacks, the report said.

    Bayoil USA owner David Chalmers’ lawyer could not immediately be located for comment late Monday. The report said Bayoil officials had refused to cooperate with the investigation. But Chalmers himself has denied wrongdoing in court.

    U.S. office cited
    The committee singled out the U.S. Office of Foreign Assets Control, which the United Nations repeatedly warned about Bayoil’s scheme. It cited an apparent misunderstanding in which U.S. authorities assumed the United Nations would monitor individual companies, while at the United Nations, oil-for-food officials thought that was the responsibility of national governments.

    The report’s focus on the single instance of oil smuggling, through Khor al-Amaya, was meant to illustrate how Saddam sold oil outside oil-for-food.

    The committee cited an October report by U.S. arms inspector Charles Duelfer saying that while Saddam pocketed more than $225 million illegally under oil-for-food, he made some $8 billion in illegal oil sales outside the program.

    Many of the allegations made by Coleman’s subcommittee are not new. In April, for example, Chalmers was indicted in U.S. District Court for allegedly funneling kickbacks to Saddam. Chalmers has denied any wrongdoing.

    But rarely had the allegations been spelled out with so much detail or scope. Coleman’s investigators have interviewed former top Iraqi officials and businessmen, who provided a behind-the-scenes look at how Saddam’s grand scheme worked.
    Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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    P.S. I know there's a thread on oil-for-food; lets try to keep this about Galloway and his testimony and performance.
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    God save Gorgeous George. He was born here, you know. Went to my school. These silly 'mericans... George didnae dae a thing.
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    Saddam's bulldog really light them up. Only got to hear bits and pieces in the clinic, but sounded like a doozy.

    Did anyone catch the rejoinder(s)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proletariat
    Saddam's bulldog really light them up. Only got to hear bits and pieces in the clinic, but sounded like a doozy.

    Did anyone catch the rejoinder(s)?
    Doozy? Gorgeous George isna doozy. A little glaikit, but he isna doozy. Especially since he didn't sell any oil
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Malcolm
    Doozy? Gorgeous George isna doozy.
    Erm, it's an American (apparently) expression meaning he did a 'number' on them.
    Great speaker, even though I think he's a scumbag.

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    “I am not now, nor have I ever been, an oil trader, and neither has anyone on my behalf,”
    The committee last week released documents it said showed Saddam gave Galloway the rights to export 20 million barrels of oil under the defunct humanitarian program.
    I beleive this is how the scam works is it not? The Russians are said to have recieved these type of rights yet no oil was ever shipped there either.
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    I loved the whole fourty-five minutes of it. Let's be fair, Galloway gave those schoolboys a whupping, very impressive. Why did Labour ever let him go? If only Tony had had half the brain, wit and guts of this gentleman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
    I beleive this is how the scam works is it not?
    LOL! That's right, and after today that whole Committee looks like a scam to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proletariat
    Erm, it's an American (apparently) expression meaning he did a 'number' on them.
    Great speaker, even though I think he's a scumbag.
    Sorry, I thought it was dozy, as in stupid, and that. And he certainly ain't a scumbag, he's my comrade Gorgeous George (Gorgeous being his title, not how he looks, cause to me he seems a bit hackit). Vive le George! He didn't do it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Malcolm
    Sorry, I thought it was dozy, as in stupid, and that. And he certainly ain't a scumbag, he's my comrade Gorgeous George (Gorgeous being his title, not how he looks, cause to me he seems a bit hackit). Vive le George! He didn't do it!
    Your turn to help me. 'Hackit', you say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
    The Russians are said to have recieved these type of rights yet no oil was ever shipped there either.
    I guess that's why he talked about trading.

    Trading of oil does not require him to be involved in any shipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Proletariat
    Your turn to help me. 'Hackit', you say?
    Scots/Doric word - Ugly, not nice looking, repulsive, et cetera
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    Those articles didn't even do full justice to his testimony. They showed some clips on CNN. He turned the tables by saying he told them that Iraq had no WMDs and no links to al qaeda, that the case for war was lies, etc. etc. He was a very striking speaker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King Malcolm
    Sorry, I thought it was dozy, as in stupid, and that. And he certainly ain't a scumbag, he's my comrade Gorgeous George (Gorgeous being his title, not how he looks, cause to me he seems a bit hackit). Vive le George! He didn't do it!
    In his own words: he did better than that. LOL. He punched a hole the size of a oil-rig in that Committee. If this is the best they can do, forged documents 'n all, I'll be looking at their 'evidence' from a whole different angle from now on.
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    Why would his testimony change the way you look at their evidence? Did he prove his claims? Do you know now for a fact that these documents are fake because he said so?

    Not quite sure why this is an 'eye opener' for someone with your position on Iraq.

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    He's as bent as a nine bob note, obviously, but you have to get up VERY early in the morning to have a chance against Gorgeous in full rhetorical flow.

    Apart from a nifty line in oratory, and the fact that he is by no stretch of the imagination a fool, he also has the advantage that he's willing to deny absolutely everything. He won a big libel action over here recently when a paper published the fact that documents had been found in Baghdad detailing payments made to him by the regime. The fact that the documents were found was not denied, nor did Gorgeous claim that the paper had made them up, but somehow he still won.

    Why did Labour ever let him go?
    Because he's a nutter and a crook. Oh, hang on, I see your point.
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    He won because they were proven to have been forged
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proletariat
    Not quite sure why this is an 'eye opener' for someone with your position on Iraq.
    I tend to follow U.S. Congressional investigations, but after today I'm going to take a new look at some issues, particularly oil-for-food. I'd be interested to know where exactly this Committee gets its information; they're pretty secretive about that. Would it be from the same crooks of the INC who provided Powell with the fake material for his UN Security Council briefing on Iraq?
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    Just saw his great oration on the BBC. It was marvellous.
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    He's an idiot, but you need people like him. It's a good job he got in.

    I think he could have used a bit more discresion when dealing with murdering dictators though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by English assassin
    Because he's a nutter and a crook. Oh, hang on, I see your point.
    Well, today the nut was on the other tree. Did you hear what they 'had' on him? This man was all over Iraq and the Middle East for twelve years, and all they had was one document of unsubstantiated authenticity in which one of his Iraqi associates apparently mentioned his name to someone else. You would have thought Galloway's name would be all over the Oil Ministry's files. You would have thought the painstaking audit of his Mariam Foundation would have turned up pointers to possible shady deals. And then it got worse: he was accused of taking oil-for-food kick backs before there was an oil-for-food programme. Hello!...
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    I must admit he held no punches back.

    He was very impressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianII
    Well, today the nut was on the other tree. Did you hear what they 'had' on him? This man was all over Iraq and the Middle East for twelve years, and all they had was one document of unsubstantiated authenticity in which one of his Iraqi associates apparently mentioned his name to someone else. You would have thought Galloway's name would be all over the Oil Ministry's files. You would have thought the painstaking audit of his Mariam Foundation would have turned up pointers to possible shady deals. And then it got worse: he was accused of taking oil-for-food kick backs before there was an oil-for-food programme. Hello!...
    Well, no matter how great or poor an orator the man is, this is all I'm really intersted in. Please say it isn't so. The entire body of evidence against the guy was a document of one Iraqi mentioning his name as a beneficiary of the 'Oil-for-Food' program? Then why on Earth would the members of the committe called him to testify? Didn't it occur to them that accusing somebody, with pretty shoddy evidence, was bound to blow up in their faces? Good grief Charlie Brown.

    But Adrian, not for nothing, I thought you had not problem with running with unsubstantiated sources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    But Adrian, not for nothing, I thought you had not problem with running with unsubstantiated sources.
    Can you back that up, you big schoolboy?
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    YOU posted that in an another thread, claiming Newsweek did the right thing by turning into a rumor mill, sweetcheeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadesWolf
    I must admit he held no punches back.

    He was very impressive.
    Psst.. I know Galloway's a nutter, but he's neither a crook nor a liar and today he did one terrific job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    YOU posted that in an another thread, claiming Newsweek did the right thing by turning into a rumor mill, sweetcheeks.
    They were going on two independent sources, honeybuns.
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    And before you and I start going at it, please note, while I did make a dig at you in the final line, the point of my post was I can't believe this Senate subcommitte would be so stupid. If this is what they lead off with, in the big PR game of 'let's get the UN over Oil for Food', they're in a lot of trouble. Even if they have better material in their lineup, by the time they get to it, nobody will be listening. "Aaah, right, the smoking gun, it was Volker and Annan, in the Conservatory, with the Wrench". Nobody will believe a word of it, unless they somehow get some people to start confessing.

    I'm no DA, but I'd imagine that the first impression of the case is pretty important, and to set the tone as the guy who has all the answers, you start with your strongest material first. If this is it, they ought to call of these hearings now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianII
    They were going on two independent sources, honeybuns.
    No darling , in their retraction notice, they said there 'one' source claimed he couldn't remember where he actually saw the document at first.
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    Default Re: Galloway unloads with both barrels at US senators

    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    I'm no DA, but I'd imagine that the first impression of the case is pretty important, and to set the tone as the guy who has all the answers, you start with your strongest material first. If this is it, they ought to call of these hearings now.
    I noticed that, and I love you, Don. I mean I love your kind of America, more than you're probably ready to believe. But I digress, you callous Neocon bastard.
    The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott

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