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**English assassin** · 05-19-2005, 14:58

Right you are; they should have their f****** faces bashed in before being booked on trumped up charges. That'll teach them.

..."its the only language they understand"...

I think there is probably a half way house between unrestricted police brutality and Baroness Helena Kennedy QC writing why oh why articles before popping down to the old Bailey and pulling in £50 grand of taxpayers money defending murderers, don't you?

But, I'll bite. There was no evidence in the Indy story that the boy WASN'T a rapist was there. Or a robber. if you are a policeman and you see people waling the streets who got off on serious charges, and you reckon they did it (and generally when the police prosecute they do reckon the person did it) it can't be easy can it? And if I was free to start a tape recording when I liked I bet I could get the Archbishop of Canterbury on tape calling me a [merchant banker] if I'd sworn at him enough before I pressed record.

(Well, OK, not the Archbishop of Canterbury. But the Bishop of Oxford would be a cert. Just tell him you believe in God and think homosexuality is a sin, press record and listen to the expletives fly.)

**Adrian II** · 05-19-2005, 15:14

Originally Posted by English assassin

I think there is probably a half way house between unrestricted police brutality and Baroness Helena Kennedy QC writing why oh why articles before popping down to the old Bailey and pulling in £50 grand of taxpayers money defending murderers, don't you?

So murder suspects have a right to legal defense in your country? Tsk tsk, what is the world coming to?

Oh look, now Japan has gone socialist!

Erm, just between you 'n me, English Assassin: you don't suppose yobbism has anything to do with capitalism and consumerism tearing up the social fabric of otherwise decent societies, do you?

**King Henry V** · 05-19-2005, 16:35

Well, desperate times call for desperate measures, and I think now is the time to bring back corporal punishment, starting with a flogging in the public square. The wounds shold then be rubbed with salt, then lemon jiuce. Then we would have some order!

**Adrian II** · 05-19-2005, 16:38

Originally Posted by King Henry V

Well, desperate times call for desperate measures, and I think now is the time to bring back corporal punishment, starting with a flogging in the public square. The wounds shold then be rubbed with salt, then lemon jiuce. Then we would have some order!

So how long have you been King of England and France then?

**King Henry V** · 05-19-2005, 19:17

Originally Posted by AdrianII

So how long have you been King of England and France then?

Ever since the death of my father, Henry IV.

**Duke Malcolm** · 05-19-2005, 19:47

This yobbery is a result of the ban on corporal punishment in 1987. The yobs do this yobbery because they think that very little will happen to them ; a caution, or a wee fine, or something. And then there are these liberal types who say that they do it because they "aren't understood", or "have no-where to go". If there was a threat of pain, then the yobs wouldn't do the yobbery, which is already proven in their gangs. We children are well-versed in our rights, and, if need be, are probably willing to recite the entire body of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, if we thought one of our rights had been breached. If we made a reservation against the part of the convention abolishing capital punishment, and repealed the Standards in Schools (Scotland) etc. Act, then we would be singing...

**Tribesman** · 05-19-2005, 20:08

..."its the only language they understand"...
So you think it is right that an officer who is supposed to uphold the law uses racial abuse and threatens with violence do you ?
You sad man

**English assassin** · 05-19-2005, 16:44

Actually the case I was thinking of was a so called "cut throat defence", where Baroness Kennedy, well known doyen of the liberal left, was acting for one of three scumbags. Said scumbags were all present at the beating and stabbing to death of a victim, but what do you know, each scumbag swore he was just standing there while the other two got busy with the knives.

So of course each one of them had to be separately represented at huge expense by QCs, who went home each night to their million pound houses, who would never been seen on the estates where these gangs rule, but who are only too happy to write long articles in the Guardian saying how terrible the breakdown in society is how its all the fault of capitalism, and how we ought to be much nicer to the yobbos.

Meanwhile the people who actually have to live with the yobbos just want them locked up, if not taken down to the canal and shot.

In the end of course the three were all convicted, because juries aren't totally stupid. And yes of course murderers have to have a defence, even Hitler would have to be defended if he turned up. But be honest isn't there something in this story that just slightly sticks in the throat? Other than the knives wielded by Ms Kennedy's clients I mean.

you don't suppose yobbism has anything to do with capitalism and consumerism tearing up the social fabric of otherwise decent societies, do you?

You know, everyone laughed when GW said he thought the cause of crime was criminals, but when you think about it there's a lot to that. (It helps if you releate to it as something like a haiku, I find). Yobbism has a lot of causes. Some of them, with my JAG hat on, are in the hands of society and need to be removed. You can't ask a 14 year old boy to work hard and pass his exams if he thinks its going to make no difference to him if he does or he doesn't. Some yobs come from a terrible background and know no better, though that may not be much consolation to you as they kick your head in. But ultimately in most cases the yob has made a choice; shall I be nice or shall I be nasty? And its not capitalism that makes him choose to be nasty.

Oh and BTW I agree with whoever it was said this sort of thing has been going on for a very long time.

**Adrian II** · 05-19-2005, 17:12

Originally Posted by English assassin

But be honest isn't there something in this story that just slightly sticks in the throat? Other than the knives wielded by Ms Kennedy's clients I mean.

Perhaps the knife you just put in the Baroness' overpaid back. As far as I can Google, she has never ever said one should be nicer to yobbos. I mean, it is her views you take issue with, or are you just jealous at her income?

Some yobs come from a terrible background and know no better, though that may not be much consolation to you as they kick your head in.

I'm talking about social fabric, not backgrounds. What were they doing there out of school, out of uniform, out of a job, apparently out of watchful parents, alert coppers, etcetera? Oh, and they're out of biographies, too. We lack any detail about their identities. For all we know they may have been the Baroness' own £90 grand nephew and his toff friends doing a 'Prince Harry' on that funeral procession.