Poll: What do you most want to see patched in the expansion?
Folk from CA have invited the Org to compile a list of common issues with the patch that will likely come with an expansion pack (see the sticky in the Ludus Magna). That got me thinking, what is the one area that people would most like to see CA work on for the patch?
The context is likely to be an expansion pack (eg barbarian invasion) which will cover another time period, but I am not talking about that new content - just any changes to the existing game that CA make.
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Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the next patch?
AI, AI, AI, AI, anything else is moot!
Make an export_descr_AI.txt to let us weigh the battlefield decisions!!
For campaign map as well (if there is time). That will silence those bickering Medieval TW fans for good this time!
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Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the next patch?
Fix bugs. Fix bugs. Fix bugs. Fix bugs. Fix bugs. Fix bugs. Fix bugs. Fix bugs.
AI improvements, dilpomacy, etc can come with time (the sooner the better though).
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Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the next patch?
Major bugs fixed and AI beefed up to a level where it doesn't do entirely stupid things. Nothing fancy, just so it looks like it might have a basic idea of using troops in a line. The fancy AI stuff can come later, just the basics.
Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the next patch?
Hasnt it already been confirmed that there isnt going to be another patch? That's why there's a big bug list in the other subforum. CA wants to know what needs to be fixed in the expansion.
Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the next patch?
Edit: Sorry, Kekvitrae, I meant the patch we'll get in the expansion pack.
One thing I would say is that going by past experience - STW and MTW - the patch with the expansion will be the last substantive patch we will get. Any further patch would just be to deal with new bugs introduced by the expansion (eg the 56 year old leader bug in VI). The patch that comes with the expansion may also be the biggest in the sense of making changes other than bug fixes. Mongol Invasion added a lot to the vanilla STW campaign - notably the different start dates. VI also brought some nice features to MTW. I think CA have money and time to work for an expansion, so can do a little more than squash bugs.
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Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the next patch?
For example, implement some of those things that they left traces of in the files, those ones that most players have been drooling for.I think CA have money and time to work for an expansion, so can do a little more than squash bugs.
Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the next patch?
I would like to see non-Roman factions boosted so that they have a chance of surviving against the Romans...
I always see Macedon and Carthage defeated early on, not to mention Seleucid Empire and Greek Cities. They're all exciting factions and it would be nice to see them progress to the late-game stage.
Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the next patch?
You should edit the title to avoid confusionOriginally Posted by Simon Appleton
Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the next patch?
I voted Other. The MOST important thing CA could do in the next patch/expansion is open up the game a LOT more for modding. That way we can fix everything up any way we like it, and ppl will make their own changes wherever they personally feel necessary. For example, if you open up AI for modding that INSTANTLY fixes both campaign and battlefield AI because the community will do it themselves. If you open up diplomacy for modding, that will instantly create 1st class diplomacy for the same reasons. etc.
Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the next patch?
Balance. And not only the relative balance between arms, also the balance between different units of the same type and faction balance.
Singleplayers be damned... bwahahaha!(Not very likely, but one can hope...
Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the expansion?
All of the above. The battlefield AI is hurting the worst, but there are so many other problems and bugs that I really can't narrow down.
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Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the expansion?
It's a complete no-brainer. Improve the battle AI.
If you'd given me a choice between that and making the melee battles last longer though, it would have been a tough choice. But I still think I'd go for battle AI.
Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the expansion?
wtf?
isn't there a "make it work as advertised" option?
GAH!
even the polls are ridiculous - getting a game without bugs and with a decent AI shouldn't be something we have to pay for
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Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the expansion?
The AI of Battles seems to be the greatest concern for sure here.
I still long for the intense and more tactical fightig of Shogun, the one in the series that started it all...
It was trully Move Counter-Move, one could feel the battle swinging between a Victory or a Defeat, but the best part of it was really the fact that one could turn the tide in the midst of battle.
I do wonder why this tactical aspect, this feeling, never made it in to RTW, where its basically all or nothing and a battle's outcome most of the time is pretty much decided with the first strokes of metal upon metal.
Reflecting upon it I can but agree, the AI in battlefields should be of outmost importance, a priority...to finish what has started
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Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the expansion?
Voted battlefield AI.
What I´d really like to see is that CA would produce a genuine war-engine with all the required contents for all types of war from 3000bc to the modern day and let the community of modders and players create their own mods. This way we can get the kind of games we want while CA only work on the AI and the platform of the game itself.
You all know HTW, NTW, RTR, (EB) etc. they are all very good work. IMHO better than the original game itself or games like MTW XL that enhanced the vanilla game to a maximum extent. CA should provide the tools and the modders should develop the actual games. That´s my dream in the future.
Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the expansion?
LOL, that's a fairly radical proposal, but one I kind of like.
Who knows, maybe one day the game industry will really work that way.
Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the expansion?
Well, gamers just complain and they´ll end up playing a mod anyway so CA should go along with the flow and produce an all-open, totally moddable TW collectors edition for the gaming community complete with graphics tools, editors etc.
Re: Poll: What do you most want to see patched in the expansion?
* Improve AI (in battle and in campaign game)
* Reduce speed of batles to a realistic one, (one level under actual speed)
* Naval battles
* Like in MTW, campaigns that will begin in later ages with high tech. (I've finished a long campaign with the julii and I never saw the marians reforms). Perhaps historical campaigns: Anibal, Julius Cesar, etc..)
* Like in MTW, it could be fun if you can take prisoners (soldiers and characters) and negociate: The idea is, that when a battle ends and you, or the A.I., have prisoners, the diplomatic screen appears, like a pop-up and you can negotiate the live of soldiers and generals. If you reach to an agreement prisoners where send to a near city and can't be used in one turn. (that also will affect trait characters...) If not, for soldiers, you just kill them or let them be killed. For generals you can kill them or continue having them as prisoners and use it in future negotiations of peace.
* Use hostages as a warranty. When you broke an alliance, nothing bad happen. It could be fun, an realistic, that when you make an alliance, one posibility is to send one character (perhaps a young boy of ten or even an adult) automatically to the other faction capital, as a way to assure that you will respect the threaty. If you broke the threaty, you can kill him or use as a prisoner (see above). That was very realistic. In those ages, It was comon that they send one or more members of the royal family to a foreign court as a warranty of a treaty.
Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the expansion?
All of those things improving. Am i being fussy now?
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Re: Poll: What do you most want to see patched in the expansion?
Yes I suppose all is being greedy, so bugs, closely followed by AI, though they kind of go together in my opinion. I just want to defend some decent sieges. Since 1.2 in my campaigns the AI hardly ever assaults - it just sieges and then lifts repeatedly, and I'm not even reloading!
Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the expansion?
OK - yeah, I wanted to vote for all of them. I chose Improved Strategic AI because I figure if the army stacks contain better units, and move about the campaign map in a more cohesive and threatening way to the player, then by default, the battles will be better. OK - I know this only partially address the community's concerns regarding battles, but it's a start. Obviously I also want all the other stuff listed, but that's a given.
Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the expansion?
Battlefield AI, but it was close between that and strategic AI
My reasoning is that no matter how many troops the AI brings to the field of battle, it will be stupid unless they can fight well with them :) so we need improved battlefield AI, including more reaction to your actions and better startup position depending on your army (ie don't put phalanxes out front when i have lots of archers, deploy skirmishers instead)
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Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the expansion?
Voted for a boost of the non-roman factions.
Espescially the Seleucid Empire, who would be really challenging if they could conquer the east, no matter how stupid the AI is.
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Re: Poll: What do you most want to see in the expansion?
1) Battle AI
2) Bugs
3) Strategic AI
4) New shizzle
The whole game is pretty pointless if the AI doesn't know how to fight!
I'm getting a little tired of winning when 3:1 outnumbered with a 10:1 kill ratio because the AI doesn't understand that his 15 phalanx units shouldn't attack one-by-one. Sometimes the AI isn't too bad, like with fast cavalry armies - but it just doesn't get infantry tactics.
MTW's AI managed to keep a solid battle-line with the units covering each other, but RTW always attacks piecemeal and gets massacred.
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Re: Poll: What do you most want to see patched in the expansion?
I picked Battlefield AI. Particulary bad is siege AI, and I would include Siege pathing in that, which some might call a "bug".
I would also like to see a heckuva lot more information released about the game mechanics. It's remarkable how little is understood about how this game works as long as it has been out.
Re: Poll: What do you most want to see patched in the expansion?
CA will fix the bugs (they have to; imagine Barbarian Invasion + Siege Bug = disaster)
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::after reload:: + ::reassessment::
Barbarian Invader Leader #1: "Alright, let's all go Home!"
so my pick would be to improve the "Strategic AI". (I don't know if CA can improve the Battlefield AI)
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Re: Poll: What do you most want to see patched in the expansion?
lol...how abt a patch 1.3 to fix the current bugs then we can further "playtest" it so they won't introduce ones in the xpac!! and they can concentrate on improving the strategic and battle AI, which can't be done in a patch.CA will fix the bugs (they have to; imagine Barbarian Invasion + Siege Bug = disaster)
Barbarian Invader Leader #1: "Attack and destroy Rome!"
::after reload:: + ::reassessment::
Barbarian Invader Leader #1: "Alright, let's all go Home!"
so my pick would be to improve the "Strategic AI". (I don't know if CA can improve the Battlefield AI)
but of course this can only be so far fetched...
Keep up the Support CA
and please don't rush your next installment ;)
Re: Poll: What do you most want to see patched in the expansion?
I am relatively sure that "patch 1.3" = the expansion pack. There won't be a stand-alone patch 1.3 for RTW.
Re: Poll: What do you most want to see patched in the expansion?
The foremost thing to fix for me is that battle AI since it's not challenging, followed by this "save game" bug which makes the AI lift all sieges after a reload.
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