Star Wars

[nokhor]

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i've seen it twice now and i thought it was significantly better than the previous 2 episodes. i don't know how to compare it to the original trilogy yet though. that will take some time. the new trilogy has always been good with the action scenes and crappy with the romantic ones, so i knew that anaking/padme wouldn't all of a sudden turn into shakespeare's romeo and juliet on screen. they also put in a lot of the miscellaneous stuff that i didn't think they would cover like the beginnings of luke and leia and how they get to their adoptive homes, the 3PO/Vader relationship, why the good dead jedi get that blue nimbus around them and communicate with the living etc. the one thing i didn't like, though i will be the first to admit is cool, is the duel between palpatine and yoda. i thought it was very out of character for the sith lord to engage in physical violence. he always redirects the energys of others to wage his battles for him. he uses his apprentices, maul, dooku, vader to represent the visible manifestation of the sith, and he uses dupes and decoys like the trade federation, separatists, senate to wage his wars. the only time we had previously seen him actually fight was when he was attacking an obviously weakened luke on the second death star so him not being prepared for someone else to fight his battle with yoda seems false to me. but again i can see the pressure to have the ultimate good guy fight the ultimate bad guy.

[Steppe Merc]

Easily better than the other prequels. I was blown away. I really enjoyed it. Frankly, I almost cried... well, y'all can probably figure out where, don't wanna ruin it for anyone else...
Acting was deffinetly better. Natalie Portman's part I didn't like that much, pretty much just whing and crying.
But I loved the action, and the story line was impressive, and I loved the fact he finally didn't tone it down to make it PG.
And Nokhor, he didn't have a choice. He tried to run, remember? But Yoda wouldn't let him. And I think that Yoda could have destroyed him, but he realized he needed to live to continue the Jedi.

Did anyone else expect Anakin to exclaim 'What have you done to my voice?!' after they put the mask on?

Or "Why the hell are my legs so damn long? "

Again, I think the critisim is unwarranted. This was deffiently up there with the originals. Not sure how it will rank, need to see it again a few times, then watch them all back to back. But it was on the same playing field, IMHO.

[ichi]

With the new Star Wars movie out, one radio station put out a method for you to figure out your Star Wars name.

First name
1. Take the first 2 letters of your first name.
2. Add the first 3 letters of your last name

Last Name
1. Take the first 2 letters of your mothers maiden name.

2. Add the first 3 letters of the town you were born in

Star Wars Honorific Name
1. Take the last 3 letters of your last name and reverse them.

2. Add the first 3 letters of make or model of your first car.

3. Add an 'of'

4. tack on the name of the last medication you took.

Sincerely,

Erall Jopre of Lledartum

[LittleGrizzly]

Satho Lehgol of cannibas (or paracetamol if it had to be taken for medical purposes)

[SwordsMaster]

Antor Luzap of Sersea at your service.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Rowil Wocar of Smamae.

I like that, rather wookie-ish.

[Gregoshi]

Grbre Gipot of Loratadine ... argh! I'm a Ewok!! Glub glub!

[Steppe Merc]

Kelin Pusom Nedcir of Tylenol, at your service.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Kelin Pusom Nedcir of Tylenol, at your service.

You'd think they'd have a more advanced pain killer, wouldn't you?

[kiwitt]

I'll see it. Just wait for the crowds to die down a bit. There is a Star Wars TV series coming. Not sure which era, but I think it is after the RotJ

[Togakure]

Joshe Chizam, Nadmat of Viagra. Why should you flee? Because I'm squeezing my sexual detonator ... .

Actually, I am the Nadmat of Paxil ... just needed a laugh.

[Voigtkampf]

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GAH! I ignored this thread, not wanting someone to slip off and give away any crucial info (what the hell, we all knew what would happen anyway ) before I saw the movie yesterday.


Frankly, I was gravely disappointed.

Before I go on, I would like to say that I am a Star Wars fan, a great one. I saw the old parts hundreds of times (I kid you not), I even used to run them on my TV as I was doing something else like cleaning up the house or eating. I believe I could recite 95% of the dialogues of New Hope, ESB and ROTJ without any problem. I’ve read dozens and dozens of books on Star Wars. When I imitate Vader’s and Emperor’s voice, people’s jaws just drop down in amazement.


The good thing was that it was darker than the previous ones. Bad things? Dozens of them!

First of all, the Palpatine vs Vindu fight: Palpatine begging and squealing for mercy “pleaaaaze, don’t kill meeee, I’m weeeek…!!!” Damn it, even if he wanted only to move Anakin to his side, that part was downright pathetic. It is not the vile, cruel and merciless Emperor I knew from old parts, even considering the fact that he was going to die.

Second: Again, full of cheesy dialogues. Both romantic ones and Jedi vs Sith ones. I also hate when they slide on the old glorious lines like “come with me, and we will rule the galaxy together”.

Third: Acting. Even though Anakin’s acting has gravely improved itself, Natalie’s quality went down the hill big time, she didn’t bring over her part well. She was mostly just a nuisance, a pregnant woman sitting around the house, crying and sniffing. OMG…

Fourth: Special effects. Another special effects orgy. You don’t know where to look, you are overwhelmed with thousands of troopers and millions of laser beams, and I mean that in a negative way.

Fifth: Editing. I went mad over this one. Lucas doesn’t know titty twist from directing, as well as from editing, where he substantially gets involved. The movie suffers so from unbounded scenes with bad transitions, changing the paste with absolutely no feeling of timing. The gravest objection I have for the movie.

Obi-wan: Give up, I’m on high ground? Omg…

Vader raging after he hears about Padme’s death? Laughable, not in the least impressive.


All in all, special effects orgy just like the previous two, IMHO of course. As I went out, I heard the kids saying how stupid the movie was. I was shocked. I remembered as I went to the movies when they brought out the old parts in new, edited edition; there were massive kids there, too, and they all liked it and laughed and screamed in joy after the movie. Worlds apart from the old and new episodes. I went to see ROTJ when it was re-run in the cinema three times, I won’t go to see the Revenge (as I didn’t go to see the episodes one and two) again in the cinema. Of course, I’ll get it on DVD, but for me it is and will stay a mediocre movie.

There was one scene though that carved itself in my memory, better than anything else. Anakin tells Vindu that Palpatine is the Sith Lord, and they go to get him. Anakin wanders alone in the deserted Jedi council, Padme wanders restlessly in her apartment and gazes throughout the window towards the Jedi temple in the distance. Anakin hears the voice of Palpatine in his thoughts “If I die, no one will be able to save her.” There is music, so unlike William’s score (which is, btw, as mediocre as the rest of the movie), a woman singing in Lisa Gerard fashion, a slow, sad, but strong tune, and that moment is so exquisite and special that it sticks out in the movie like a pearl in the mud. Of course, the very ending of the scene is spoiled by 3PO that pointlessly strolls over to Padme and stands next to her, his joints wheeling and squealing. WTF!?!

It was like Lucas took a nap and someone, Ridley Scott perhaps, sneaked in and did that scene.

Sorry for the rant, but the disappointment still sits deep. Revenge of the Sith was my last hope (hahaha, the New Hope will come along, lol) for a good new movie on Star Wars. I’m off to put some part in my DVD.

[Steppe Merc]

I disagree. As for kids, trust me, not all of them like it, but a bunch do. A lot of people (well I probably wouldn't be considered "kid", but whatever) hate Star Wars, cause they don't get the story. That would probably be those kids you heard.
You are intitled to your opinon, but this redeamed Lucas for me. I won't forget or forgive him for the Phatom and Clones, but this deffinetly blew the socks off of those. Could it have been better? Sure, what movie can't be?
If anything, I get caught up over details that screw up what the books made. Not as much on this one, but still. How can clones, who kick ass, turn into sucky stormtroops? Sure, most of them would be dead at the rapid rate they age, but I don't get how the hell the quality fell that much. Also, Ithought that at least Cody (a Clone Commander) wouldn't try and kill his friend Obi, but I guess that made it all the more powerful (at least to me, since I knew that they hade served together on a bunch of campaigns...).

[xemitg]

Alright I saw star wars on Thursday. It was a disappointment, but I’m used to being disappointed by Lucas by now. It wasn't bad except for the constant use of the words "baby and babies." I couldn't stand it. They could have said "children” or "offspring." That and Darth Vader’s "NOOOOOO” ruined it too. Besides that it wasn't bad. Some directors bring the best out of the actors while other brings the crap out of good actors. In this film Lucas really brought out the worst in most of those characters.

[ah_dut]

I agree eith VK in many ways...especially the dialogue, I could write a less cheesy dialogue for goodness sake

[Lazul]

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WTF was up with Darth Vaders; "NOOOOoooooooOOOooooo" Scene?

First of all, the whole thing is "Nooooooo!!" scenes can never be done is such a way it doesnt make you anoyed.
Having Darth (the badass Sith) Vader, making a NOOOOoooo scene is stupid.
And even tho Lucas is a crappy director I never thought he would make such a Huuuuge misstake to add such a dumbass scene!!! aaaaarrrrghghhh!!

[econ21]

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A very good film - I liked it. I like it better than the original Star Wars, although not its not up to the heights of ESB. The best feature of the film for me was the emotion it stirred and the epic, tragic atmosphere. The original Star Wars was really little more than a Flash Gordon type science fantasy adventure - if the heroes got vaporised, I am not sure any one cared [and anyway, the nature of that kind of romp was that they would not get vaporised]. This one moved me, although no doubt in part because of the groundwork done by the other five films. The pivotal scenes were around Jedi Temple and the wiping out of the Jedi. There was something biblical - a massacre of the innocents, a moment of the cross - in the horror of those sequences. When Annakin meets the younglings and lights up his sabre, you feel as Obi Wan Kenobi or Amidala would feel.

The politics were quite nicely done - the Republic vs the Jedi Council machinations provided a plausible background to Annakin's fall and the creation of the Empire. Until his naff face change, Palapatine was one of the most intriguing character's in the three recent films, perhaps because he was so lightly sketched. The instantaneous "betrayal" of the clone troopers was also well done and, unlike Palapatine's act, came a little out of left field. But the psychology was awful - why Annakin is seduced to the dark side is wholely incredible (he had a bad dream). However, to me, that's forgivable - perhaps it is one feature of evil, that it must be somehow incomprehensible to ordinary people. If we can understand it, we tend not to call it evil.

Very good culmination to the six films, infinitely superior to first attempt to wrap up the story - the abysmal Return of the Jedi.

[ah_dut]

Simon, you must admit some of the dialogue was truly appaling

[econ21]

Simon, you must admit some of the dialogue was truly appaling

SimonAppleton as scripted by George Lucas; "No, the dialogue was not appalling. From my point of view, criticising the dialogue is truly appalling".

Ah_dut as scripted by George Lucas: "But do you tolerate the dialogue because you are so in love with Episode III?"

SimonAppleton as scripted by George Lucas: "No, it is because the dialogue is tolerable that I am so in love with Episode IIII"



[Out of character]Ah, yes, your point cannot be denied, Ah_dut.

[Steppe Merc]

Well, I agree with you Simon, though I did like Jedi. It was very good. Just saw it the second time today, and was still in awe. My entire family liked it. My one little bro (10) is a big Star Wars fan, and he really liked it. The rest of my family was also in awe, including my Dad who thought it was incredible. (He was disapointed by the other prequels...)
It felt what my parents probably felt when seeing Han turned into carbonite. Dialogue was a bit shakey at times, but the originals had odd parts as well.

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Surely incredibly cheesy dialogue is an integral part of the Star Wars experience? The dialogue in the original trilogy was...interesting, to say the least.

[Cygnus X-1]

But the original trilogy's actors had a charm that made those lines a lot more bearable. Even amusing.

The actors of the PT never really had any charm whatsoever. So the cheesy dialogue just didn't seem to fit. Atleast not for me...

[NagatsukaShumi]

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I liked it, thought it was very good and I have been waiting for the Anakin/Obi-Wan Fight Round 1 for a long time now, mostly because I wanted to see Obi-Wan actually win the fight

The whole you so beautiful line still makes me cringe in some sort of nausiating agony but for the most part I felt some lines were ok.

"Hello there" when Obi-Wan drops in on Grievous and his huge army of robotic chums was humourous enough, "Thats ten times I've saved you now", "No, nine, that time on (I forget, some planet), it doesn't count" was good. "You were the chosen one! You were meant to destroy the Sith not join them! You were my brother! I loved you!" That line hit me, you truly feel sorry for Obi-Wan as he watches his former padawan and friend burn to a chrispy textures on the side of the lava flow on Mustafar. As for the whole high ground thing, doesn't bother me, I just accept it as Obi-Wan trying to end it without having to kill his old friend, some compasion. The infamous "beautiful" lines are all I remember as been truly terrible.

Special effects as a bad thing? Not in my opinion, I think they work very well here. The opening sequence with the battle over Coruscant, magical. The lava flowing a spitting behind Obi-Wan and Anakin as they clash looked fantastic and really added to the scene.

The storyline I thought was extremely good, and although it had some slightly dodgy area's it is certainly up there with the originals and definately surpasses ROTJ and NH, ESB though is another story, thats classic, but ROTS is certainly challenging it for me. I thought one weak area was how easily the Senate accepted that the Jedi had "rebelled" against them, stupid really. Also, I didn't like how Palpatine was able to just cut down three Jedi masters and somehow Mace Windu was an exception to this. sure hes a bigger character story wise, but the others should have been a bit more challenging. I was also pleased that Plo Koon was in it, though I wish he hadn't been shot down in that Jedi Starfighter, I love Plo Koon! It was fitting to show most of the council been removed though, rather than just a load of random Jedi's. I can also happily say that, when Windu told Anakin to stay at the Jedi Temple and wait, then he would gain his trust that, even though I knew otherwise, I was willing Anakin to just stay and not go to Palpatine's office, it takes alot to make me genuinelly care about things like that!

Acting, McGregor I thought played his part well, Anakin was a major improvment over AOTC, Padme however, god she makes me want to kill myself. Stop been all annoying because you didn't protect yourself against an input of the darkside you stupid woman, crying and whining all day long about everything. Maybe I've just got bad memories from the stupid love story of AOTC. Palpatine shines in this one though, very cold and chilling, but in a very clever and sadistic way.

All in all, I liked ROTS and I am very sad to know that this truly is the end of Star Wars more than likely

[Steppe Merc]

About the Senate: they were likely all pawns of Palpatine. Of course not all were, but they would have been killed. In addition, he can excert his will using the force over people.
About the Jedi, they did die far to easily, for me especially the ones who were betrayed by the clones. You'd think they'd go down with a pile of clone bodies around them, not without killing even one.
About Mace, he is the best lightsaber fighter, which is why he survived. Though I wish the other three had put up a bit more fight.

[Mongoose]

"Quote:
Anakin: “You’re so beautiful.”
Padme: “That’s only because I’m so in love.”
Anakin: “No, it’s because I’m so in love with you.”

That is bad."

IMHO, that's the first half of episode three in a nut shell

[ichi]

Actually, I am the Nadmat of Paxil

Nice

Satho Lehgol of cannibas

Very nice

ichi

[Voigtkampf]

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The best feature of the film for me was the emotion it stirred and the epic, tragic atmosphere.

Oh, yes, if anything, this movie was full of tragic.

The original Star Wars was really little more than a Flash Gordon type science fantasy adventure - if the heroes got vaporised, I am not sure any one cared [and anyway, the nature of that kind of romp was that they would not get vaporised].

Padme dies? Yawn, omg, she has “lost her will to live”. Yeah, right. The scene is of moderate quality, at the best. I got far more emotions from the moment when Darth Maul strikes down Qui-Gon on Naboo.

Windu dies? GAH, I never liked that character one bit, surprisingly, since Samuel is one of my favorite actors. When he got fried, I just thought “Ezekiel, meet the Lord” and had to hold back not to laugh out loudly.

The entire killing of the Jedi knights by clone troopers was as lame as it was unimpressive. Haven’t shed a tear for neither of them.

Can’t remember who else died, but since I can’t, it probably wasn’t worth remembering.

ROTJ had infinitely better parts than ROTS, including the dieing scenes. Man, I hate those little furballs , the Ewoks, but that scene where two of them are running, there’s an explosion and they fall, one rises and tries to pull the other only to understand that the other is dead; then it sits down to the ground and gives that slight moan of deep sorrow, then touches again the dead Ewok. Damn, that scene lasting fifteen seconds had more effect than all the dieing scenes in ROTS together.

But the masterpiece in ROTJ is the dieing scene of Lord Darth Vader. Bring it back before your inner eye.

“You got to come with me! I’m not gonna leave you here, I’ve got to save you!”

“I already have…Luke… You already… have…

Tell your sister… You were right about me… Tell her… You were right…”

“Father…” Luke helplessly replies, as Vader slowly drops back to the shuttle ramp “ I won’t leave you…!”

But it is too late. Darth Vader, once known as Anakin Skywalker, the last Lord of the Sith and finally the redeemed Chosen One, is gone.

Luke touches the battered black armor of his father, gently stroking it with tears in his eyes and bows his head in sorrow, while in backgrounds the Imperial March theme is being played, but this time gently, on some string instrument, and much slower than ever before, like a light that slowly goes out.

Incredible.

Very good culmination to the six films, infinitely superior to first attempt to wrap up the story - the abysmal Return of the Jedi.

Personally, I’m glad for all that have enjoyed the movie better than the previous parts (ANH, ESB and ROTJ), because they got more than they already have, but I got far less of magic I’ve had before.

[Suraknar]

This is a Movie that any serious SW fan would not miss at the theater.

It does tie many loose ends and brings the sence of completion to the overal Storry.

However, personally, I think it lacks in comparison to the original Trilogy (ep 4,5,6) in two key areas.

First of all the soundtrack, is not engaging, and does not express the intense moments.

Second the degree of Drama that it should encompass, is only reserved for the last 30 minutes, Padme actually come through with her expression of dissapointment and loss of any wish to live any longer.

Although, as said in previous threads, the Visuals are of outmost quality, and there is action from begining to end, it comes out dry because of the above two points. It is nice to see but its not felt.

Computer Graphics have made it possible for many things to be brought on screen, however it is maybe due to the fact that some things ar easyer to make that we do not get the emotions of people working with imperfect tools and strive to express perfection out of their work, like we did with teh Original series.

Last, I found the Storry to be rushed too much, at the begining of the movie we are informed that Padme is pregnant, 2 hours later she gives birth to the twins, but we are left with the sence that only a few days have passed and that even thanks to a couple of night scenes.

We all applauded of cource (I went to the pemiere) out of the sence of completion, but my feelings about the movie are mixed at best. The Movie is OK, not astonishing.

In my humble opinion.

[Kraxis]

Hmmm... Seems there is a bit of flak. Better bring in the big carpet of shade us all.

Anyway a lot of SPOILERS!

I didn't like the dialogue on the balcony between Anakin and Padmé either, but the fact is that plenty people talk like that. Damn even I and my GF talk like that once in a while. It is hard not believe that the relationship wouldn't get a kick upwards after the announcement of the coming pregnancy.

Actually I was kind of hurt by the way the clonetroopers turned on the jedi, it seemed truly unfair. They had loyally followed them into battle a hundred times, now some genetic alteration of them forced them to kill the jedi. Quite bright of Palpatine to get Dooku to get that trigger in them in the first place.
Remember it was Dooku who created the clonearmy, I can't see why the clonetroopers couldn't have some buried trigger in them since it was a Sith who made the preperations for them.
At least now I know why Republic Commando ends where it does...

The Padmé-Anakin last dialogue I found to be right on spot. What was she supposed to do? She finally saw what was going on, the veil over her eyes was lifted to the new nature of Anakin. He even tried to strangle her dammit. How do you think that is going to affect her mentally? Her heart was broken in more than one way (not physically though), but she could not live with her love being a Sith. Makes sense to me, I wouldn't be terribly happy if my GF turned out to be a person who had just killed every cop in my country, and who was happy about it, and then tried to kill me because I didn't like it. I would be devastated! Take my life, I doubt, but hey it is a movie. The only true bad stuff about it is that Leia actually remembers her true mother (she knows she is adopted), now that is some impressive memory! Check out ROTJ for it.

I agree that the fight with Windu is a bit off the track. Anakin should not have cut off his arm, rather he should have parried his strike, just as he does with Luke later on (claiming that Palpatine should still face the courts). Then those two could have had a fight where Anakin eventually killed him. Then he could realize that what he actually wanted was the power to stop people from dying (which has to be a lie from Palpatine), rather than justice.
Btw, did you notice the smirk on Palpatine's face when he told the last part of the story of that Wise Sith? Guess who the apprentice was.

That high ground comment Obi-Wan makes is perhaps a bit thin as they actually fought on the beam when the entire structure fell into the lava. That was up and down fighting in the extreme, but then again in such a case it is not an advantage of being low.
Anyway I saw the comment on Obi-Wan dealing with this with Darth Maul. I can only say, EXACTLY! He knew what would come, Darth Maul didn't expect it (though it was still rather cheesy). Obi-Wan had also done it himself, he had the experience with this, he would not get caught flatfooted. So naturally a jump to get over him would fail. I agree it was a rather anti-climatic end to the fight, but it was not wrong. Rather it was the case of Obi-Wan and Darth Maul that was wrong.

I was a little let down in the beginning. The battle would have been so great had we only more of it! Ships pounding each other into spacedust and so on. Ahhh the stuff of legends!
But my point is the fighters. Neither Anakin nor Obi-Wan seemed to have the troubled expression or the jerking motions in the fighters as the pilots of ANH. Also I had hoped for a return of the models. I mean who can forget those beautiful turning X-Wings or Tie-Fighters as they enter combat. That was lost.
But at least we could see the Jedi Fighters had a lot in common with the Ties while those Clonefighters were the forerunners of Y-Wings and X-Wings (I had expected and hoped for Z-95 Headhunters).

And Yoda... I had hoped for more resistance from the Imperial Guards than a mere handshake from Yoda.

All in all it really did the whole story justice. And I loved every second of it.

[tibilicus]

SAW THIS THE OTHER DAY AND I CAN TELL YOU NOW ITS A LOT BETTER THAN THE FIRST 2. i THOUGHT IT WAS SLIGHTLY RUSHED TOWARDS THE END THOUGH LIKE HE SAID HE COULD SUMON HIS OLD MASTER QUI GON JIN. IT MIGHT OF BEEN NICE TO SEE THE GUY ONCE AGAIN. AND SURLEY IT WOULD OF TAKEN A BIT MORE THAN A FEW BLASTS FROM A GUN TO KILL THE JEDIS RIGHT? ANYWAY ALL IN ALL A GOOD FILM. FAVOURITE BIT WAS WATCHING ANAKIN GETING WASTED. GOOD TIME GOOD TIMES. OH YE HOW DO I CHANGE MY LETERS TO LOWERE CASE I HAVE JUST REALISED I HAVE BEEN TYPING IN CAPS LOCK ~:S