Pirates!

[Productivity]

That's a very bad example. You don't need to try fruit before you buy it, lol.

A better one and one that has similar price range, do you walk into a watch store and NOT adk to try wearing the watch to see if it fits and if you like it.

You try it on. For five minutes. That is hardly equivalent to playing through a game for a reasonable amount of time.

But if you want to go for a isoprice example, you don't read a book before buying it.

Lets face it, you and all pirates are trying to justify somethign that in the eyes of society is morally wrong. I'm not going to get sanctimonious about actually pirating (although I am going to sit here with a stick and poke holes in any argument I can), I've done it before (I no longer pirate, everything I have now is legitimate), but never once did I try to come up with pissy justifications for it.

[Byzantine Prince]

In some countries like Japan it's completely legal dgb.

I'm not a moral person but if it's illigal I won't do it. I don't pirate anymore, I don't like games that much anymore anyhow. When I used to do it it was legal though, or I didn't know it wasn't.

[Productivity]

In some countries like Japan it's completely legal dgb.

You are not in Japan. In a dialogue between you and I, only the laws and moral standards of two countries matter. Australia, Canada.

I did not know that it was legal to copy/download copyrighted material in Canada, and to be honest I find it quite strange to say the least.

If you are not a moral person, why are you wasting your time trying to come up with morally sound reasons to pirate?

[IliaDN]

In my opinion as far as moral options are concered there are more important things to carry about ( such as helping others , loving people e.t.c. )!

[Productivity]

In my opinion as far as moral options are concered there are more important things to carry about ( such as helping others , loving people e.t.c. )!

What is your point? There are more moral things that can be done with your money, so you think it is right to steal? Again it comes down to priorities. If you want to help others and give money to charity, do so. But that requires you to prioritise your money at the expense of something else, in this case, R:TW.

You thought those were moral? No they were simply world-market reasons. You shouldn't be forced to keep something that you don't want that seemed perfect before the purchase.

No, they were attempted moralisations, using (bad) economics as a justification. The fact that you do not have sufficient information about a product before a purchase is no reason to be able to steal something. You can accept the risk and purchase it anyway, not accept the risk and do not purchase it, or wait to gain more information. All three of those are legal and moral. Stealing it is not.

Again you don't buy a car when you don't even know how it looks inside.

Hold on, a few posts up you were haranguing me about using an example that was of a price different to a game. Now you go and compare a car to a game. Make up your mind. Either we can compare things with different prices or we can't.

Now you're gonna say that "well you can keep a pirated game forever", right? Well, you don't have to. It's up to you to do the right thing. The copy is never as good as the original anyways.

Well I wasn't, but since you decided to bring it up I'll deal with it, you say it is up to the pirate to do the right thing. Let's look at you here. You have allready admitted you are not a moral person. Furthermore, you have allready stolen it, again you are not painting a picture of yourself that says "I am one likely to do the right thing". My faith in you, or any pirate to do the right thing can be approximated to zero.

But regardless, lets actually attack the main body of this argument. Even if you do "the right thing", you have still held it for some time, and taken advantage of it. You have stolen for that time. Now you have two options here, you destroy the pirated copy and buy it or you destroy it and don't. If you destroy it and buy it, for the sake of simplicity, I'll agree that for that game, there was no moral wrong.

However the second option means that you have played the game (presumably substantially because you want to get a feel for it beyond what a review writes), without paying for that priveledge (and yes it is a priveledge, even if you do not enjoy it). In this case a moral wrong has occured. You have appropriated a priveledge, without any form of compensation.

Now we have two scenarios, one in which there is no moral wrong, another where there is. However because any real life case of a pirate pirating to check games first would have a mixture of the two (because if it was allways the case that you buy the game afterwards, why would you bother pirating beforehand?), there will allways be a degree of moral wrong.

The only moral justification for pirating is if you allways by the games afterwards, and if that is the case, there is no point to pirating.

Feel free to keep pirating, I'm not going to try and stop you. But please don't keep driveling this pseudo-moral garbage.



Anyway, I'm going to bed.

[Byzantine Prince]

Why do you drag morals into this? Are you afraid that you cannot make your point otherwise. No one needs to follow morals, EVERYONE needs to follow the law.

As far as I know there is no law here in Canada against this. If someone wants to correct me they are welcome.

To add on to that even if there was law that I don't know of, it's impossible to keep it in check because of this:
Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act
No has the right to mess with your files or anything that could be considered private.

[Ser Clegane]

To add on to that even if there was law that I don't know of, it's impossible to keep it in check because of this:
Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act
No has the right to mess with your files or anything that could be considered private.

In the last point you are basically just saying that it's OK to break laws as long as you can avoid getting caught.

[Byzantine Prince]

You thought those were moral? No they were simply world-market reasons. You shouldn't be forced to keep something that you don't want that seemed perfect before the purchase.

Again you don't buy a car when you don't even know how it looks inside.

Now you're gonna say that "well you can keep a pirated game forever", right? Well, you don't have to. It's up to you to do the right thing. The copy is never as good as the original anyways.