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    Ok, RTW is a brilliant game. We spent days watching the trailers that promised to take MTW's steps further beyond. Fortunately , it did. But it is not only about the graphics, the sounds, the physics or etc.. Although Roman Age included so many tribes and civlizations that contribute to the variety, no game ever gave the taste of MTW. That's why I do not care those 2D low-detail animations and still play MTW instead of RTW..

    The war was really "total" in medieval ages. Because, politics, war techniques, civlizations, relations and cultural environment was a lot more deep which really gave the taste of "blood on the sword" and "knife in the dark".

    Here is what my many friends playing TW series and I really want : We want Medieval again (an original one, I am not talking about Mods if available ) in RTW's stunning 3D and physics engine. How far would Creative Assembly find it reasonable enough to re-release a game - that would sound as if the previous one was not good enough - we, gamers would not care. And we really believe that such a game would rock the ground.

    I just imagine how Hashashins or Almohad urban military would look in 3D.. I really hope that Creative Assembly attempts somehing like that..

    What do you think ?

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    Guess I'm the same as you. I bought RTW, I played three campaigns (Julii, Germans and Egyptians) and numerous battles, then I returned to MTW.

    In my opinion, the only thing RTW has got on MTW is the graphics and the battle engine, and that's just not enough for me to leave my beloved medieval warfare.

    So yes, I would really like to see MTW remade with the RTW-engine.

    But, its' very, very unlikely. Creative Assembly has more profitable things to do than making a whole new game for just a small group of hardcore MTW-fans.
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    I also think that it is very unlikely for Creative Assembly to instantly take such a decision and attempt it. However, this matter is absolutely worth a poll offered by them. Such a decision should be made on customer expectations since it would not be a brand new game. And I think the results of such a poll would really encourage them to re-make MTW..

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    "Such a decision should be made on customer expectations since it would not be a brand new game."

    I should correct this sentence as :

    "Such a decision should be made on customer thoughts rather than expectaitons since it would not be a brand new game"

    (I can not edit my posts :( )

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    So do I...It's my fav game!!! I love it!!! I have 5 installations of Medieval Total War on my PC

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    I would desperately want a improved MTW... You can called me obsessed with MTW, I don't mind...It's the truth
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    I have never played medieval, but as an avid STW player I think that game would rock if it was redone. Think about the samurai and ninja's hacking each other apart.

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    I think M:TW 3D would rule as well, however, it would be nice if they added more factions and such to give a more varied/differant experience.

    BTW I don't know if you are aware but total war refers to the style of warfare used by Sherman in the American Civil War. He burned cities and destroyed everything, thus total war. not just war on the military but war on the very foundations of an enemy's society and industry.
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    MTW would be great with a RTW sort of map and tactics. I am a great fan of the hold and strike from behind move, yet that did not realy seem to work in MTW. So whilst I played battles personally always in RTW, I often used the auto-resolve in MTW.
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    It may be just me, but I think RTW is an easier game. My casuality rate is a lot higher in MTW, while in RTW I can manage to win large battles with minimum dead among my own. This is much harder in MTW.

    xemitg suggested a remake of STW, I really like that idea too. Imagine those samurais in 3D chopping at each other, recreating the bloodbaths of feudal Japan in all it's gory splendour. But we're already asking too much.
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    And yet it is impossible. As much as many of you may want MTW 3D it will never be more than a pipe dream.
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    After Getting Rome total war I don’t like Medieval total war anymore. The music is slightly better in Rome (it keeps on playing unlike Medieval) and so are the fights. I like the new strategy map too. But the Mediaeval setting in Medieval total war is cool though. Yeah a Mediaeval Total war game on the Rome total war engine would rule, more than Rome too if they changed nothing but the setting (all right, maybe this siege bug I keep hearing about).
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    Yes, very good.

    I think you have a good idea.

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    I for one definately do not want a remake of medeival to be the next in the TW series.

    Having said that, it doesn't mean I don't want to play that game - I do.

    I'm going to be naughty here and post a message I made in the official forum: if this is poor protocol forgive my noobishness:

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    What I'd like to see...

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    With RTW

    Make the Barbarian Invasion expansion eaven easier to mod. I've been playing RTR and it is fantastic. I know that if it was easier more people would get involved. I know the community could make excellent mods of Medeival, Shogun and Dark Ages Total War.

    Better still CA should set up a subsidiary dedicated to making these mods - let's get some money to those great modders out there. Let the modders sell their mods.

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    TW4: Empires

    CA should keep pushing the boundaries with a new engine capable of handling gunpowder, large area battles, war at sea and global imperial conquest.

    My wishlist

    1. Global strategy map. based round Europe In terms of global conquest this could be initially handled as an abstraction i,e, throwing money and resources into exploration as part of the tech tree. Hear news of global events via messengers, chests of gold and exotic gifts. *

    2. Make the battle screen interface flexible enough handle the tactics and formations of a wide range of different tactics and units...#

    3. Push the diplomacy and espionage angles. Make alliances matter, make reputation matter. The era has offers lots of small counties to ally with, influence and conquer. Lot's of potential for empires to rise and clash.

    4. Make relationships between game characters more important - adding intrigue.

    5. Make multiplayer battles multiplayable +

    6. Make the campaign multiplayable - using turns, message scrolls, emissaries and instant messaging. Allow players to set and join games based on turn rates. **

    7. We need more fantastic music - pipers on the battlefield too?

    8. Yes great battle graphics. Smoke billowing from massed canon and musket - the true fog of war. Colourful uniforms of the elite and fresh... muddy and bloodstained veterans.... torn and battered in action.

    9. A new in-between tactical level. Possibly with a generals strategy style map view one level above the battlefeild to give your general a wider area of control.

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    It's from this thread over at .com

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    Come to think of it, STW redone would mean a rating of Mature instead of Teen. You can't really have a good samurai game without limbs being chopped off and people going everywhere. Although I'm still all for it, CA wouldn’t produce a game like that.

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    I've thought of a MTW re-make ever since I heard of RTW, but I know it will never happen. And the sad thing is that it probably can never be modded properly due to the stupid Rome conquering thing and lack of crusades, religion and the pope.

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    And the sad thing is that it probably can never be modded properly due to the stupid Rome conquering thing
    Hmm? What do you mean by this?

    and lack of crusades
    With scripting, who knows what can be accomplished? Slight modifications to Senate misions would help create this.

    religion
    Again, maybe scripting.

    and the pope.
    The Senate could simulate the Pope.

    Who knows what can be accomplished with scripting?

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    With scripting, we could extend the Senate's power to include the Britons, Germans, Iberians, and Gauls.

    we could also change the Britons to british, Germans to Germans, Iberians to Spanish, and Gauls to French.

    Julii could be the Vientians

    Scipii could be Sicily, and Brutii could be the Naples.

    and the Senate could be the Papal.

    We could eliminate the Numindians and extend Carthagian's empire to include southern tip of Spain and all western Africa and call it the Elmos (don't remeber the full name, Elmos in MTW)

    Eastern Africa could be the Egpytians ( or whatever they were called in Medieval times)

    The Parthians could be renamed to be the Arabs, and include Baghadad.

    Greece, Macedon and , and Pontous could be combine to represent the Byzantines.

    Armenia could represent Armenia and other nomadic nomads. (for lack of better word)

    You get the idea.

    All we need are skilled scripters.
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    Pacific: Total War.

    Watch the Polynesians take over the world.

    India (and surrounding regions): Total War... some huge battles fought there Alexander the Great to the Mongels not to mention the locals...
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    Yes, I want Medieval Total War in 3D.
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    3D sucks IMO. Have you seen how their legs go through the shields. It destroys the feel of the game.
    I prefer the 2D games, but I expect the quality to be pretty high. Hopefully the next TW will be in 2D again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
    3D sucks IMO. Have you seen how their legs go through the shields. It destroys the feel of the game.
    I prefer the 2D games, but I expect the quality to be pretty high. Hopefully the next TW will be in 2D again.
    Or, alternatively, fix the graphical bugs.
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    Wow, some hot hot response here :)

    Quote Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
    3D sucks IMO. Have you seen how their legs go through the shields. It destroys the feel of the game.
    I prefer the 2D games, but I expect the quality to be pretty high. Hopefully the next TW will be in 2D again.
    That happens in any FPS, doesn't it ? Did you ever get the feeling of a Private in a World War based FPS game except for the point of view? I never did. I feel like a robot swinging from left to right. 3D technology has many improvements to overcome and that bug you talk about is not a major problem that destroys the feel of the game.

    Actually I love 2D as well. I think the word "3D" killed the basic element of the games : Fun. There are so many super-ultra-high, technological, pixel-vertex shaded with a billion of anisotropic filtered polygons with billion colours and layers of rendered games (my god, so many terminology! ) - with NO fun. (e.g. Doom 3)

    But 3D really gave some tasty spice to TW feel. I think it should be kept going.

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    @ bighairyman,

    Yeah, scripting idea is good. But ignoring Turkish empire that was a milestone of both the real Mediveal times and the game itself would a huge ignorance, wouldn't it ? ;) CA did not.

    I'm trying to help the scripters, that's all :D

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    Lefteye, I agree with your points on 3d in strategy games- it just doesn't belong. But don't extend it to Doom 3. After all, 3d was origionally invented for FPS games, and I, for one, love it in this setting.

    Oh, and for the record, Doom 3 is one of my favorite games of all time, next to Doom 1 and 2. Half-life 2, on the other hand, was abysmal: a hyped-up piece of junk that was nowhere near as involved or as good as the origional.

    Finally, I would like to note that I think MTW is fine the way it is now; it would simply not work in 3d.

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    Populus had 3D terrain... kind of
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    Quote Originally Posted by meatwad
    Lefteye, I agree with your points on 3d in strategy games- it just doesn't belong. But don't extend it to Doom 3. After all, 3d was origionally invented for FPS games, and I, for one, love it in this setting.

    Oh, and for the record, Doom 3 is one of my favorite games of all time, next to Doom 1 and 2. Half-life 2, on the other hand, was abysmal: a hyped-up piece of junk that was nowhere near as involved or as good as the origional.

    Finally, I would like to note that I think MTW is fine the way it is now; it would simply not work in 3d.
    I mentioned Doom 3 because most of the gaming criticians agreed on that it was a masterpiece of technology - no doubt. But it had a linear progress and the atmosphere seemed too closed and repetitive. Yes, Doom series always pionerred the game industry somehow - this time with its graphic engine but Half Life 2 was expected much more eagerly than any other FPS especially after the arrival of Doom 3.

    However, Doom 3 can be counted out of this since at least they really contribute to progress of FPS's. But there are so many polygon wastes out there called FPS that arms clipping into shields can not be counted something problemous for a strategy game.


    P.S. Half Life deserves for what it gave. They had built a strong scenario and stunning AI for its first release - a FPS syndrome that many others suffer.

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    I think a MTW game in 3D would indeed be a major task for any developer, to try and come up with a game that gives a slightly different experience from that previously but still give the feel of the original. However, in business sense well it simply doesn't make sense, CA would never profit from a game such as that.

    It would be an excellent game though and I believe many community members would buy it, but I still play Rome because it looks so much better and I'm too used to it! BI will be a great addition to the series if CA manages to produce a high quality expansion, and it will bring a new historical era closer to the one I'm intrested in (i.e. the medieval period)
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