Quote Originally posted by Terazawa Tokugawa:
Yes, guns are too effective compared to their cost. Yes, they shoot through all things they meet and yes, they don't rout.

[I]Dat's because in multiplay given their ridiculous cost, players use to give them very high honour...but an ashi will always be an ashi. I was thinking about a "honour limiter" for ashigaru which could make the real difference for gunners/samurai comparison in morale.
But after all, the easiest thing ta do is to edit the morale of ashigaru units and check out how big is this factor for gunners or, well, as it seems far more real to me, increase the cost of rising honour for ashigaru and limiting the honour an ashi unit can have.
Yes, the latter seems more credible.
The solutions are at hand, we could just sit and talk but something will surely come out

Think of archers. 300 Koku.
Think of muskest: 175 Koku.

That's an enequality. They should be same price same value.
Or archers are really better?

Archers in reality were far better, the range is almost twice though penetration and kill reduces with distance. Archers were samurai (morale) while folks, mind that ashigaru were peasants, not that possible to train beyond a certain limit.

Rate of fire, archers are indeed faster...and dats' why the ammo is used up earlier. But their volley also travel in arc while guns shoot boresight only (friendly fire).

The thing making the difference is lethality in point blank against ANY armour.
Gunners excel in that. Archers don't of course. Weather factors, archers are extremely affected by wind and water (range and accuracy) while gunners only fear water.

I am used at seeing many muskets on the field and there's only one solution at this moment : RAIN. This is extremely unfair, unbalancing and silly. Attacker has the move. If it rains he tires up quickly but as things are now attacker has no choice. Either face rain or muskets

In stw how can one beat a gunner with honour 6 if it skirmishes through friendly fresh troops with low honour (means that when u catch them they will back off, KEEP SHOOTING at you while their infantry makes u flee) and doesn't ever rout even when seeing the taisho dead on the field ?
A good player cant make miracles...and koku are the key.
Let's edit the units and see what comes out of it I guess we can change the range and the morale, that would be a million dollars

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I apologize since now for the bold characters. i have tried inserting a [I] and let's see if it works!