Looking for a game like RTW...

[doc_bean]

It may be more of a reflection of the ability of the players of civ3 if they cannot play at the hardest level. On my third game I was playing it at the hardest level (mind you having played civ series including alpha I did have a bit of an advantage).

I do have to admit RTW is too easy.

In my first few games I was still figuring out what was going on, I think the complexity of civ is hugely underestimated by a lot of people (and magazines) since they are familiar with the previous games.

In MTW you have a learning curve for both the battles and the strategic part, but neither is (imho) as complex as the strategic part of civ. Maybe I think this because I haven't played as much civ as MTW yet.

[Mongoose]

So, have you tried any mods for CIV or is it mostly hard coded?


Also, if MTW is anything like RTW the vanilla version is half the version that the mods are.

[doc_bean]

So, have you tried any mods for CIV or is it mostly hard coded?


Also, if MTW is anything like RTW the vanilla version is half the version that the mods are.

there are CIV mods but I haven't tried any.
And yes, the MTW mods are great

If you can't get enough of total war, get MTW:VI, it is still my favourite game.

[Mongoose]

So...which mod do you use?

I think i will just go wtth MTW, a pikemen beating a tank is just insane

[doc_bean]

So...which mod do you use?

I think i will just go wtth MTW, a pikemen beating a tank is just insane

I have a normal installation and a fall of rome isntallation, unfortunatly, i don't really have the time to play either.

[Mongoose]

okay then. One last question: is the difference between EU2 and HOI2 just the time period or are there differences in gameplay?

[SpencerH]

The final answer is to buy MTW-VI and civ3. You should be able to pick them up with all XP's for very little. A sci-fi alternative to civ (earth) is Sid Meiers Alpha Centauri (SMAC) and SMACX. IMO most of the older players (including myself) consider it to be a better game than civ3.

[Mongoose]

OK. so most people here think that a harder/deeper alternative to RTW is either:

alpha centauri
MTW
HOI2

What are your thoughts on EU2? I have not been able to find a demo for that game...

EDIT: i just got downloaded the AC demo and that game is addictive!

[Mongoose]

Or maybe try Crusader Kings. Not a detailed game like EU but it has very medieval feel. It has a good system with more or less independent vassals and a map filled with provinces. Same company that makes EU and Vicky.


CBR

Sorry to dig up an old post, but do you mean that they are the same game but with different time period or are there gameplay differences?

[CBR]

It is not as detailed as EU but I think its the same style of play (no turns, just continous) I have only tried EU very briefly so I cant really give precise details...but you cant produce units for example. They are part of each province and you can mobilise them when you need it it.

Here is a review of it: http://www.strategyinformer.com/revi...derkings.shtml


CBR

[Mongoose]

Thanks!

[ShadesWolf]

Vicky is well worth the Learning curve.

It has such an indepth feel and you can easily loose 4/5 hours playing it and you have only finished 2 years of game play.

you can follow so many differnt routes, even with the same country, such as Belgium for example. I have played this country loads of times, so times I go all out for war other times I develop teh economy and build factories and railways and put little effort into building up a large army.

well worth a look imho

[Gawain of Orkeny]

So, have you tried any mods for CIV or is it mostly hard coded?


Also, if MTW is anything like RTW the vanilla version is half the version that the mods are.

No

In MTW VI most people prefer the regular game. Very few play the mods. Im only speaking mp here. Again if your into the actual figting of battles VI mp is untoucable.

On this subject, is there a non-expansion version of NTW? I just have too many games on the plate to shell out the money for Viking Invasion any time soon, and am really intrigued by NTW.

You can get a combo pack of MTW and VI for around 20 dollars now. NTW and all the other mods are free downloads at the org and other places. Its the greatest deal in gaming.

[Rosacrux redux]

You seem pretty confused, aren't you? OK, here are my suggestions:

- Civ3. Great gameplay, abstract battles, loads of mods. If you get it, go for the full package (with Conquests Expansion) and visit some Civ3 site (like Apolyton or Civfanatics) to find a whole world of mods, units, scenarios etc. etc. Addictive. SP is the best experience of it, MP is not really that great. Alpha Centauri (Civ in space, sorts of) never did it for me. Many oldtimers prefer it over Civ3, but not me.

- MTW VI. Go get it, a great game. I consider RTW much, much better (in the strategical aspect, at least, in the tactical it has serious problems) but MTW VI is the absolute for MP. And if you want a really extraordinary SP experience, install MTW VI with Wes' Medmod, the greatest modification ever for a TW game.

- Anything by Paradox. If you want a solid SP experience and don't care much about battles, you can choose between three gems: EU2, Vicky and Crusader Kings. Have played all three of them (in the last 14 months I only played those three and RTW, and recently Mount&Blade) and they are incredible games. Vicky has the steepest learning courve of any game I've seen, you'll have to read some stuff about it before you start playing. EU2 is much easier and you can figure out how to play in an hour or two - for "how to play properly" it'll take you much, much longer though. CK is more simple than those two and is recommended only if you are into the Bene Geserit trip.

[Mongoose]

"You seem pretty confused, aren't you? OK, here are my suggestions:"

Yes, very confused hehe

Thanks for the suggestions, BTW, are there alot of people still playing MTW online? Or have most stoped by now?

[L'Impresario]

Thanks for the suggestions, BTW, are there alot of people still playing MTW online? Or have most stoped by now?

Well, if you join us, we 'll be even more Tis' a fact though that the majority of VI players have left the building. Still, if you 're lucky you can find the lobby with around 80-90 people. Imo, the mp is/was so good that it is the only game I 've ever played on the net, and maybe that won't change, as new TW-style ones (RTW included) just don't appeal to me.

As for Paradox games, they are a must-have, but be prepared for quite a few CTDs...Also I don't agree with many of the bad things said about CK, but I won't go into an in-depth analysis, I'll just mention that it's necessary if you want to control a faction from 1066 till 1918 (iirc), that is using the feature that those 3 Paradox games have, the save transfer.

[Cheetah]

Alpha Centauri is not bad but if you really want some challange then try to grab Imperialism II. It is a 5 years old game, so the grapics might look a bit outdated at first but as a strategic SP game it beats any of TW series hands down.

[Cheetah]

Imperialism II homepage:

http://www.frogcity.com/imperialism2/index.html

not too much info but screenshots give you an idea about the game.