New Historical Civilizations!!!

[Aymar de Bois Mauri]

I ve not made myself clear (maybe it's because I do not speak very well english), when in around 100 BC I said lusitanians threathened Rome I wasn't speaking of Viriato but of Quinto Sertorio a roman general who came to lusitania and led them into several victories he conquered the peninsula and divided it it into two regions one of them was lusitania the other was celtiberia. He created a senate in evora and occupied les passes dans les Alpes d'où il menaça Rome toutte puissante...

Read Dux Corvanus's reply.

Then you say that the lusitans are not the Portuguese's ancestors well if you say that to any History teacher in Portugal (or even in france by the way) well that person will be anoid for example when you say you speak portuguese you say you are Lusofono and luso comes from lusitano

I am a Portuguese and I'm not annoyed. We have some blood from them, yes. And somewhat less from the Romans too, also from the Suebii, from the Alans, from the Visigoths, from the Berbers, etc... I could go on and on.

What matters here is that the Lusitanian's heritage regarding the Portuguese is more an inspiration to Portuguese independance than anything else. It is a concept, an idea more then an ethnic (although there is some), cultural or religious heritage.

French say they are descendents from gaulish people say to them that isn't true and they'll spit on you!!(no kidding it already happenned to me)

They are wrong. They might identify themselves as Gauls but it's the same thing has with Lusitanians vs Portuguese. There is some Roman and a lot of Frankish, Burgundian, etc... blood among the French. And culturally and religiously, they descend from Charlemagne's middle age empire, not a politeistic, animistic warriot socciety as was the case with Gauls.

What people think is unimportant in these matters. What historians know as fact is what is important.

I'm not portuguese by the way but I know lot's of them and they are very atached to their past and the fact that in medieval tw Portugal was integrated as rebels anoys them really!!

Well, I have to agree it annoyed me too, but what to expect from thise Brits?

When I said ethnical civilization I wanted to say ethnie ( french word ) which designates a people like lusitans or greeks or sarmatians saxons...
And above all Im not speaking of purity of races or anything like that I'm just speaking of a game for god sake J'essaye pas de vous impiger des discours raciaux. Talking of purity for me would be ironic my mother is french but her parents were austrian and swedish my father's parents were irish and portuguese so you see i cannot speak of purity!!!

Sorry for all these confusions!!

Well, Saxons mixed with Angles and Jutes and a bit with Romano-Britons (Welsh and Cornish). Vikings with Franks creating the people of Normandy. Lusitanians with Romans, Suebii, Alans, Visigoths, Berbers, etc...

So, identifying Portuguese with Lusitanians is "optimistic" to say the least. Specially in regard to culture or religion. A bit less regarding ethnicity.

[Dux Corvanus]

Well, I have to agree it annoyed me too, but what to expect from thise Brits?

Yeah, it was quite a deception. Even if they added Aragon in the expansion to have a more complex peninsular depiction, I still missed Portugal and Navarre, and deplored the simplistic way the muslim factions were treated as well -with those 'Almohads' getting all the stuff. Not to talk about Eastern Europe. Looks like, the farer from UK, the less interest they took in the thing.