New Historical Civilizations!!!

[Sargon of Akkad]

Occitan lyrics and the dynamics of ancestral makeup?
LOL

Fascinating!

I dont know what they have to do with the original topic but the last 15 posts or so were very interesting.

I love how in this forum, the most random question can become an interesting perhaps quasi scholarly discussion of some obscure subject.

Keep up the good work

[anonymous_joe]

Problem is, there's a limited number of factions in rtw, so you can't add in who you want. Hence, no Portugese, no Irish, none of the smaller peoples.

Not that us small ones would be integral to the game though. I can't see any benefit to the game in having an Irish faction, even if I'd love making Tara the capital of the world It's just of no value for anyone not Irish.

Same with the Portugese, there'd be a lot less demand from non-Portugese people for a Portugese faction, though I sympathise with their wishes.

Anyway, let's not forget game balance, a Portugese people would only start with 1, max 2 provinces, which would hardly lead to a dramatically balanced game, would it?

[Sarcasm]

Who said it should be? We did well enough, me thinks......

[Ranika]

A number of factions only start with one or two provinces. That isn't much of a problem, really. Factions that start with huge numbers of provinces often have early managerial problems, though they can be held together. However, a small starting faction can begin very focused, and is very viable. As such, the number of provinces a faction starts with is relatively unimportant in deciding what factions are used.

[bodidley]

even if I'd love making Tara the capital of the world It's just of no value for anyone not Irish.

Whoa, what about the Scottish? We're Hibernians too

[Ranika]

Gaels (technically Goidils at the time) hadn't invaded Caledonia yet, so no Scots existed. Goidils had only recently conquered Mann in this period, and while there is evidence some migrated to Caledonia, the large scale invasions that would eventually form Scots hadn't occured yet.

Also, Tara wasn't a city at this time. It was just a temple complex with a small outlying town. More important were Menapia, Ivernis, Nagnata, and Eahmain Macha.

[bodidley]

Gaels (technically Goidils at the time) hadn't invaded Caledonia yet, so no Scots existed.

Exactly my point, if they hadn't invaded Caledonia, then they would still be on Hibernia.

[Ranika]

But then we wouldn't call them Scots. We'd call them Irish, if we used modern terminology. Though, the English called the Scots Irish for centuries (they had a tendency to lump people together by their common ancestors; even the Manx, who had a huge number of Norse ancestors, were called Irish). Additionally, though, Scots do have Caledonian ancestors; why wouldn't you wish to play as Caledonians too? Aside from their being remarkably primitive with almost no armor and poor quality weapons in this period. You could make Attuaca the capitol of the world! And with your remarkably unadvanced system of politics, you could use brute force to control everything.


...Caledonians would be kind of fun, for the sake of having a barbarian faction almost exactly the way fantasy and jack asses portray all barbarians. They rely pretty much on pure brute strength to enforce rule, they have very simplified concepts of everything (as far as we can tell), and they'd have to use ambush and horde tactics to do much. It'd be a bit fun. We will have one, hopefully two or three, Caledonian units though to kick around. I will play as the Britons, purposely loose all my land except Caledonia (once I conquer Caledonia), and just hurl Caledonian thugs at people. That's a game, damn it.

[bodidley]

Of course the ancestry of any modern European people is diverse, but I was simply replying to the statement "It's just of no value to anyone who's not Irish" because the Irish are not the only people descended from Hibernians. I think we all know better than to call a Scotsman an Irishman