We are such proponents of a culture of life that...

[Proletariat]

...not only are we going to sponsor a state execution, we're not going to even put it off 90 days so the executee could donate a potentially life-saving portion of his liver to his sister.


Way to go, Awesomica!

[Templar Knight]

thats nice of him

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

Julie Woodard, Hutslar's great niece, said she did not wish any harm to Johnson's sister. But if Johnson were allowed to donate the liver, she said, "He is going to be remembered more as a hero for saving his sister than for this brutal murder."

What a sickening statement. "Sorry, I'm so obsessed with getting revenge that I'm going to let an entirely innocent person suffer."

I hope that bad things happen to Ms. Woodward.

[sharrukin]

Not sure why they couldn't take his liver now, but if that is not possible then they should put it off until it is and then execute him.

[Templar Knight]

why don't they rip out his liver now, as part of the execution? Just a thought don't flame.

[sharrukin]

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Julie Woodard, Hutslar's great niece, said she did not wish any harm to Johnson's sister. But if Johnson were allowed to donate the liver, she said, "He is going to be remembered more as a hero for saving his sister than for this brutal murder."

What a sickening statement. "Sorry, I'm so obsessed with getting revenge that I'm going to let an entirely innocent person suffer."

I hope that bad things happen to Ms. Woodward.

Well she didn't stomp an old lady to death. He did! So I will reserve my 'hoping bad things happen' for the brutal murderer rather than the upset niece!

[Big_John]

maybe we can rip julie woodard's liver out?

[Proletariat]

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Well she didn't stomp an old lady to death. He did! So I will reserve my 'hoping bad things happen' for the brutal murderer rather than the upset niece!

Sympathy is quite in order for the niece. But she lost someone dear to her in what? 1985? And now she still needs to sate her basest desire for bloodthirst and revenge? The guy's still getting killed, for Christ's sake. No one's going to think, "Boy, that murderer used to seem like such scum until he helped his sister out! It's almost like now that he donated his liver, he only broke 8 ribs on that old lady, instead of 20!!!"

I'm not mad at her, she isn't making the decision. It's the Indiana Parole Board that needs pies thrown at it.

[Big_John]

It's the Indiana Parole Board that needs pies thrown at it.

you throw the pies, i'll snatch their livers!!

[Byzantine Prince]

Maybe we should just get on with the damn program. I'm sure there's other kidney watchamagics out there. This guy is the scum of society. The sooner he get's plugged out the better for everyone.

Why is it that we need excuses to not execute people like this?

[Proletariat]

you throw the pies, i'll snatch their livers!!

Who's bringing the Chianti and farva?

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

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Julie Woodard, Hutslar's great niece, said she did not wish any harm to Johnson's sister. But if Johnson were allowed to donate the liver, she said, "He is going to be remembered more as a hero for saving his sister than for this brutal murder."



Well she didn't stomp an old lady to death. He did! So I will reserve my 'hoping bad things happen' for the brutal murderer rather than the upset niece!

Bad things are happening to the murderer.

[Big_John]

Who's bringing the Chianti and farva?

you mean state trooper rodney farva from Super Troopers?!?

if you can bring him, i'll definitely find a nice chianti.. i'm thinking a '94 poggio rosso.

[sharrukin]

Sympathy is quite in order for the niece. But she lost someone dear to her in what? 1985? And now she still needs to sate her basest desire for bloodthirst and revenge? The guy's still getting killed, for Christ's sake. No one's going to think, "Boy, that murderer used to seem like such scum until he helped his sister out! It's almost like now that he donated his liver, he only broke 8 ribs on that old lady, instead of 20!!!"

I'm not mad at her, she isn't making the decision. It's the Indiana Parole Board that needs pies thrown at it.

What I am saying is that we should reserve our sympathy for those who were victims of violent crimes not those who commit them. I would not take her advice on what to do as it is clearly biased and with good reason. He is scum, but by his actions he seems not to be total scum and that is all to the good. I agree about the Indiana Parole Board as common sense would suggest that his sister who is also a lesser victim of his actions should be given some consideration as well. We should remove his liver now if he is willing and that seems to be the case and send it to his sister.

If the murderers family suddenly does not want that to happen then this would be no more than a delaying action.

[LittleGrizzly]

why punish the niece she's done nothing wrong...

[sharrukin]

Bad things are happening to the murderer.

Then why wish evil on someone simply because they are not willing to forgive and forget? She had someone close to her murdered and does not want good things to happen to him. That she should be angry and bitter at this is hardly a surprise. She at least made the point that she had no ill will towards the man's sister even if she is not willing to delay justice on her behalf.

[kiwitt]

"Forgivenness" is not needed in a country where "revenge" is more important, i.e. the legalisation of the "Death Penalty". I am not surprised by the attitude shown here.

BTW: I do not support the death penalty. The State "killing" people may only justify in small-minded people that "killing" is OK, when someone does something wrong. If the government can do it why shouldn't I.

[Kanamori]

"What I am saying is that we should reserve our sympathy for those who were victims of violent crimes not those who commit them."

The sypathy is not for the convict, rather it is for the sister.

"Not sure why they couldn't take his liver now, but if that is not possible then they should put it off until it is and then execute him."

Because, that would kill him, and personally, I would not like the state to execute someone by having contaminated blood or by starving to death without bile, whichever comes first.

The problem I find with his request is that organ donation is given to the top of the list first, not where she is. If he wants to donate his liver, good for him, all the power to him. That's one less spot that his sister has to wait for anyways.

[Beirut]

Was he getting government sponsored Viagra too?

[mercian billman]

Maybe we should just get on with the damn program. I'm sure there's other kidney watchamagics out there. This guy is the scum of society. The sooner he get's plugged out the better for everyone.

Why is it that we need excuses to not execute people like this?

First of all organ donation is no joke; people die waiting for new kidney's, hearts etc.

Secondly he's going to be executed, does it really matter if the state waits 90 days to do it?

[ichi]

If we take out his liver and put it in his sister isn't like part of him is still alive (liver and soul instead of heart and soul) so he escapes the totality of his sentence.

and what if he is evil and his evil is manifested in his liver, and it consumes his sister and she goes on a rampage stomping people's aunts to death in order to feed it's insatiable liver hunger?

Haven't we learned anything from thousands of horror/sci fi movies people? Too risky, I say fry him then dismember the corpse and burn the scraps, shoot the ash into a part of space where we never intend to go.

or maybe we could apply just a little common sense . . .

ichi

[sharrukin]

"Forgivenness" is not needed in a country where "revenge" is more important, i.e. the legalisation of the "Death Penalty". I am not surprised by the attitude shown here.

BTW: I do not support the death penalty. The State "killing" people may only justify in small-minded people that "killing" is OK, when someone does something wrong. If the government can do it why shouldn't I.

You shouldn't kill because the state takes away the right of vengeance and promises to enforce justice in it's place.

The state must kill either way! By failing in it's duty to protect citizens or by executing those who deserve to die. The state, by letting murderers, rapists and child molesters walk free is just as responsible for what it fails to do (stop criminals) as it is for what it does do (executions). The Death Penalty prevents any further killing on the part of the one executed and that is enough for me. If it should deter others then that's just an added bonus, but not really the point.

And no forgiveness is not yet mandated in most nations, nor should it be. The offender is the one who should ask for forgiveness and it can always be withheld.

[kiwitt]

Don't kill them just put them away.

If it costs too much, make them pay for their accomodation, out of their assets ceased. i.e. if he has 20 years to serve he has to pay back $600,000 dollars. ($30,000 for each year served). If he has no money, make him work it off in Prison and then after while on parole and thereafter.

We probably should do this to all criminals. Make them pay for their time served. User Pays . he he :D

[Proletariat]

The state, by letting murderers, rapists and child molesters walk free is just as responsible for what it fails to do (stop criminals) as it is for what it does do (executions). The Death Penalty prevents any further killing on the part of the one executed and that is enough for me.

What does the death penalty do to keep criminals from killing that life without chance of parole does?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

or maybe we could apply just a little common sense . . .

Just when I thought you were making sense for once

[ichi]

Just when I thought you were making sense for once

I got too close to the edge and got scared

ichi

[PanzerJaeger]

Johnson, 40, was convicted of breaking into Hutslar's Anderson home, beating and stomping on her, then setting a fire to hide his crime. The state has said he admitted to the killing but changed his story after his conviction.

Proletariat this doesnt have anything to do with the culture of life movement. Do I need to explain the difference between an aborted baby and this guy?

I dont really care how the liver thing is dealt with, but he needs to be dead at the end of all this.

[Proletariat]

I dont really care how the liver thing is dealt with, but he needs to be dead at the end of all this.

So in a rush to kill this guy his innocent sister dies as well. Brilliant. Where are the WWJD bracelets?

[ichi]

the difference between an aborted baby and this guy

a fetus is aborted when a women decides she doesn't want to carry it anymore, a decision that the state has no part in, unless the fetus is capable of surviving on its own.

This guy has been determined through due process by the state and a jury of his peers that he needs to die as punishment for his crimes.

pretty simple.

ichi

[Byzantine Prince]

So in a rush to kill this guy his innocent sister dies as well. Brilliant. Where are the WWJD bracelets?

WWBPD