Anyone interested in Crusader States mod?

**metatron** · 06-02-2005, 01:14

http://www.microgamedesigngroup.ca/BYZ.html

**Minister of Fear** · 06-02-2005, 02:07

Metatron and Count,
For the moment, I'd follow the rule of thumb that 50 or less provinces north of Antioch, and 50 or less provinces south of Antioch, obeying, of course, the rule of no more than 99 provinces. Otherwise, the map may look ridiculous. You need the provinces reasonably distributed so that Seldjuk, Danishmend, and Orotqid expansion into the Levant is not easily accomplished. Also, don't forget you have the County of Edessa to the north east of Antioch which will need comprise of at least 4-6 provinces. Guys, keep in mind the number of factions that will be fighting it out in Asia Minor. You'll have the above, then include the Armenians, which I would split into the Hethoumians and Roupians, the Byzantines, the Georgians, and possibly the Shah-Armen, Sassun, Moks and Alans.

**CountMRVHS** · 06-02-2005, 02:22

Let's get a comprehensive list of factions that we're definitely going to include. I imagine that at least some of the provinces in Asia Minor will be under rebel control at the start, because not every local leader had large-scale ambitions or abilities or declared for a particular larger faction.

I confess that some of the names of those groups are alien to me, Minister. My knowledge of the political scene in eastern Asia Minor is limited, but that can be rectified. Any suggestions on websites or books I can turn to for a quick history lesson on those guys?

But yeah, I'll leave the faction listing up to you guys. I'd only suggest that we may want to focus on the "bigger" factions and chunk up some of the "smaller", relatively inactive ones into rebels. My only other suggestion is that, if there is room, we could include the Pechenegs/Cumans/Bulgars (whatever you want to call 'em) that were known for giving the eastern empire such a hard time. I don't really want the Byz to be too powerful here, so it might be good to have some of those guys around to balance it out; otherwise the Byz might just get a too easily defensible corner of the map.

CountMRVHS

**Minister of Fear** · 06-02-2005, 05:52

Well, the Shah-Armen, Sassun, and Moks fit in b/w the Ortoqids and the Georgians with the Alans to the north of Georgia. Its very hard to find out anything about those three, a part from Shah-Armen meaning 'King of Armenia'. If anyone else knows much about them I'd very much like to learn it. Maybe we just leave them as rebel regions with historical affinity to the Armenians.

I think we should definitely include the following factions:
Byzantines,
Seldjuk Sultanate,
Danishmend Emirate,
Ortoqids,
Fatamid Caliphate,
Abbassid Caliphate,
Atabeg of Mosul,
Emirate of Damascus,
Emirate of Aleppo,
Duchy of Apulia and Calabria,
County of Sicilia,
Georgians,
Armenians seperately as the Hethoumians and the Roupians,
Prince of Antioch,
Count of Tripoli,
Count of Edessa,
King of Jeruslam,
Hospitalliers,
Templars,
Assassins,
Venetians,
and Genoese.

That's about 23 factions. So, what do the people think?

Count, I think the Venetians, Genoese, and the boot of Italy, along with the Seldjuks will keep Byzantium moderately busy.

**Radier** · 06-02-2005, 06:09

Awesome medieval mod guys

Keep ip the good work

**metatron** · 06-02-2005, 09:36

Can we get 'Byzantines' as 'Romans'?

**Minister of Fear** · 06-02-2005, 12:42

Originally Posted by metatron

Can we get 'Byzantines' as 'Romans'?

Why?

**Krusader** · 06-02-2005, 13:04

Originally Posted by metatron

Can we get 'Byzantines' as 'Romans'?

And quoting the Why? below

The inhabitants of the Byzantine Empire called themselves rhomaioi which means Romans, and they called their empire the Eastern Roman Empire.

The western Europeans or Latins called the Byzantines for Greeks.

The term Byzantine btw was invented in the 16th century I believe.