Anyone interested in Crusader States mod?

**Minister of Fear** · 07-04-2005, 09:31

Ok. I've just completed the map list for area south and east of Antioch. It has been sent to CountMRVHS, and hopeful to Fader_it as well. So let the challenge of creating the campaign map can begin...

**Radier** · 07-04-2005, 09:51

Good luck!

**edyzmedieval** · 07-04-2005, 11:20

Great work Minister of Fear!!!

Hopefully Count will be kind enough to give me the map so I can examine it for the Byzantium Total War mod..... It's a lot of work to be done at both mods..... So I think a join of forces would be in the interest of both modding teams....

BTW, Count, if you need any more historical help, feel free to contact me....

**NormanPain** · 07-08-2005, 07:38

Strangely I suggested a mod similar to this a while a go and got no response

Very glad to see that one is in the works though, I have been wanting this for some time. I havent checked this site in a while and was surprised to say the least.

I see a lot of people worrying about the muslim nations having to much land, don't forget that the muslims were fighting themselves just as much as the crusaders, it was one big mess, especially in the 11th and 12th centuries. I have been reading alot on the crusades lately and have thousands of pages worth of reference material if you need it.

Will the Armenians be a seperate playable nation in the mod or will they be considered part of the Byzantine Empire? Though superficially part of the Empire the Armenians did not often think of themselves in that way as they had different customs and religious practices.

BTW the Middle Earth Total war team had a foot soldier Unit for the Haradrim(Think he was Numenorian guard) that looks very much like a crusader with a conical helm and chain maille(in the style of VI without any clothes over top of the armour so it is very visible). Change the shield and it would be perfect, maybe you should check it out and see if you can use it?

I like the longer sieges idea, also siege weapons are far too strong, I say halve the damage they cause and increase ammo by 25-50% therefore creating longer sieges on the playing field as well where you actually have time to try things such as sallying forth during the assualt and attacking the Trebuchets and at least have a chance at stopping them from destroying the walls.

I like the second map option, but the first is fine too, as I would be playing as Christians or Byzantines most of the time it doesn't matter a whole lot to me.

If you need information on weapons and armour used in different period I would be more then happy to help. Im kind of a "Gear-Geek" so to speak.

Anyways take care all and I hope this goes as planned, I am looking forwards to this

**CountMRVHS** · 07-09-2005, 01:14

Alright, I've got the list of the cities and provinces and am looking for a good map that I can use to draw in the borders with my paint program so I can send the whole thing to Fader_It. Can anyone recommend a good place to look for maps?

This part will take some work and I'll be somewhat busy over the next week, so I don't imagine I'll have anything ready to ship to Fader for about a week. If anyone can help with links to map sites that would help speed things up a little.

AFAIK the Armenians will be at least one separate faction, maybe two. In regards to units and unit graphics... I haven't even thought that far ahead yet! But I suppose this might be a good time for people to make suggestions for units and factions, so once the campaign map gets finished we can get right into that process.

CountMRVHS

**Pericles** · 07-09-2005, 05:12

Some sites with lots of Crusade maps:

http://www.newadvent.org/images/04543cbx.jpg

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/maps/2ndcde.jpg

http://www.newadvent.org/images/04543ccx.jpg

http://www.newadvent.org/images/04543cdx.jpg

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/sbookmap.html

http://www.medievalsources.co.uk/portal_crusades.htm

http://www.umich.edu/~iinet/worldrea...ades/Maps.html

http://www.culturalresources.com/MP_Muir22.html

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/First-Crusade

**Minister of Fear** · 07-09-2005, 06:52

CountMRVHS: I've looked through those maps and they're pretty much one's we've seens already, or links to the same maps. My principal sources for cities i listed are found Steven Runciman's three vol: A History of the Crusades, and there I used Vols II and III. For the cities in Persia I used an old map of Ottoman Empire in the 16 & 17th centuries.

When you have a mock up of map done let us have a look before you send it to Fader_it. I hope you noticed that I had slightly more than 50 cities as you had listed some of these in your list. Otherwise, as I think most of the action will be in the Levant I think the greater proportion of the cities should be there.