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    Today the Council of Guardians finished vetting the Iranian presidential candidates and surprise, surprise, nearly all of them have been eliminated because they lacked moral values and tangible enthusiasm for the islamic government system.

    Among this year's losers of course is the choice of the largest reform party, Mr Mostafa Moin, who should be grateful that he gets away with his life. Oh, and all women are blocked from running, after all they're only fifty five percent of the population.

    Good night from democratic Tehran.
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    The Iranian government and authorities don't seem to like women

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    Skin-democracy in action!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianII
    nearly all of them have been eliminated because they lacked moral values and tangible enthusiasm for the islamic government system.
    So same thing as America except it's not Islamic but Chrsitian Right, lol. Those damn Democrats and then immoral values!

    Also in America it's even worse because they can't blame it on a theocracy, only themselves for voting that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
    Also in America it's even worse because they can't blame it on a theocracy, only themselves for voting that way.
    That explains why so many Americans apply for Iranian green cards.
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    who do you think will win?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Templar Knight
    who do you think will win?
    In the end? The women!
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    Do we get to invade yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdrianII
    Today the Council of Guardians finished vetting the Iranian presidential candidates and surprise, surprise, nearly all of them have been eliminated because they lacked moral values and tangible enthusiasm for the islamic government system.

    Among this year's losers of course is the choice of the largest reform party, Mr Mostafa Moin, who should be grateful that he gets away with his life. Oh, and all women are blocked from running, after all they're only fifty five percent of the population.

    Good night from democratic Tehran.

    you say all of this as if it is some sort of 'sacred truth' that democracy - as defined by a government system bent on turning society into an evil cesspool of immorality in which all manner of evil runs rampant - is a universal idea that must be shoved down the throats of every society in existence

    to that i say - incorrect!

    that form of democracy is much worse than what Iran currently has. i applaud Iran for choosing to remain moral and reject evildoers who would have turned their society into a sewer akin to North America and Europe.

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    So much for fair and balanced Anyone still think these guys should have nukes?
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    that form of democracy is much worse than what Iran currently has. i applaud Iran for choosing to remain moral and reject evildoers who would have turned their society into a sewer akin to North America and Europe.
    Choosing to remain moral?

    Maybe I've spent too much time in the great sewer, but that's just plain crazy talk.

    Iran: Torture Used to Obtain ‘Confessions’
    Judiciary’s Secret Squads Whitewash Repression, Incriminate Political Detainees

    (New York, December 7, 2004) Secret squads operating under the authority of the Iranian judiciary have used torture to force detained Internet journalists and civil society activists to write self-incriminatory “confession letters,” Human Rights Watch said today.
    " The Iranian government shouldn’t think for a minute that anyone will believe in the authenticity of these letters. They’re fooling no one. With stunts like these, Tehran is rapidly losing its already meager credibility on human rights. "
    Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch

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    Evidence obtained by Human Rights Watch confirms that secret squads of interrogators—primarily former intelligence officers purged in the late-1990s by President Mohammed Khatami but now employed by the judiciary—forced the detainees to write these “confession letters” under extreme pressure as a condition for their release on bail. In an attempt to cover up the government’s illegal detention and torture of detainees, interrogators have coerced them to write self-incriminatory letters that describe detention conditions as satisfactory and confess that civil society organizations are part of an “evil project” directed by “foreigners and counter-revolutionaries.”

    “The Iranian government shouldn’t think for a minute that anyone will believe in the authenticity of these letters. They’re fooling no one,” said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director at Human Rights Watch. “With stunts like these, Tehran is rapidly losing its already meager credibility on human rights.”

    Human Rights Watch has documented an extensive pattern of forced confessions by political detainees who have later retracted their statements, which they have attributed to their interrogators. The Iranian government continues to pursue a project to strangle critics and activists, one that Human Rights Watch documented in the report, “Like the Dead in Their Coffins.”

    In its latest phase, the government has resorted to forced “confessions” to pave the way for the prosecution of reformist politicians and leaders of civil society organizations. By obtaining self-incriminating confessions, the government is attempting to destroy individuals’ reputations, sow discord among activists and ultimately shut down all independent voices and organizations.

    Most recently, Human Rights Watch verified independently the contents of a document published anonymously last week by an official working for the Iranian judiciary. In his letter, the official describes the location of secret detention centers and the torture and mistreatment of detainees, including lengthy solitary confinement. The official published this letter in response to the Iranian government’s denial of secret detention centers and the mistreatment of detainees.

    Human Rights Watch called on the Iranian government to dismantle and prosecute secret squads operating within the judiciary, end arbitrary detentions, release all political prisoners, and comply with its human rights obligations under international treaties.

    “The judiciary is more worried about protecting its secret squads from later prosecution than ensuring the rights of those detained”, said Whitson.

    lets see, if I had to choose I'd say that allowing people the freedom to enjoy themselves is more moral than oppressive violence.

    But hey, that's just me. You may feel that brutality in the name of morality is somehow acceptable.

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    Iran: Torture Used to Obtain ‘Confessions’
    Judiciary’s Secret Squads Whitewash Repression, Incriminate Political Detainees
    Looks like their a sure fired bet to be invited as the newest members of the UN commision on human rights.
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    Yay for democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navaros
    (..) an evil cesspool of immorality in which all manner of evil runs rampant (..)
    Well, that's theocracy for you. Don't say you weren't warned.
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    Are Navaros and BP just joking??
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    So much for fair and balanced Anyone still think these guys should have nukes?
    Yes but that's not the question.

    Not a helpful development I grant you. We shall see whether the desire for reform will come out in some other way.

    There isn't any reason why an iranian democracy should look exactly like a western one, and a body such as the Council of Guardians doesn't strike me as inherently objectionable, (not that i would want one myself,) although this particular exercise of their power would seem to be excessive.
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    OK, so the iranian government needs to go. Are the iranian people doing anything about this, and is there anything we can do to aid them?

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