No Marius event but prate Cohort avial

**Richard H** · 05-25-2005, 07:33

I suspect I've hit a bug here. I'm currently playing a campaign as the brutii. I've built 3 imperial palaces and yet have not seen the Marius reforms event pop up.

Units are still pre-marius but also praetorion cohorts, I've got a urban barracks under construction so I suspect I'll have urban cohorts soon to.

I'm playing unmoded V1.2

Any one else seen this?

In a way it's quite interesting to playing with the "old" units right the way through.

cheers

**Rodion Romanovich** · 05-25-2005, 07:47

Marius is less common after 1.2 patch. You can still train praetorian cohorts before reform, but not urban cohorts or anything else.

**pezhetairoi** · 05-25-2005, 08:31

Praetorian cohorts are available for training as long as you have an imperial palace, marian reforms or not. Urbans are also available without Marian reforms, according to the export_descr_buildings text file.

**Hambut_bulge** · 05-25-2005, 08:52

player1's excellent unofficial package of bug fixes takes care of this and many other little problems.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=44795

**player1** · 05-25-2005, 11:51

Originally Posted by pezhetairoi

Praetorian cohorts are available for training as long as you have an imperial palace, marian reforms or not. Urbans are also available without Marian reforms, according to the export_descr_buildings text file.

I guess you are using 1.0/1.1 then.
Before patch there were several other units that looked "universaly" available like urbans, but they were never available before reforms since imperial palace triggered the reforms.

But since patch chnaged reforms not to happed immediatly after getting imperial palace, so developer team modified those units availabe after marius only. They only missed praetorians, I guess because they were trainable in palace and not barracks (easy to miss).

**katank** · 05-26-2005, 00:03

Urbans are not available without reforms.

In 1.0 and 1.1, praetorians were only available after reforms but the imperial palace was synonymous with reforms so no problem. Hippodrome also gave you Legionary cav.

In 1.2, no Marian units are available before reforms. Partly to offset the later reforms, Praetorians are availble before reforms as long as you have a palace. Higher level stables now give valor boost to equites but no legionary cav.

**pezhetairoi** · 05-26-2005, 01:51

hey....strange. I've patched 1.2 but that is still the case. I tested--gave Arretium an imperial palace in turn 1 and hey presto, I could build praets.

**player1** · 05-26-2005, 06:25

Originally Posted by katank

Urbans are not available without reforms.

But in 1.0 they where in same way flagged as Pretotians (all eras). They limited them with marius only condition only after 1.2, so they won't get available before reforms.

Originally Posted by katank

In 1.2, no Marian units are available before reforms. Partly to offset the later reforms, Praetorians are availble before reforms as long as you have a palace. Higher level stables now give valor boost to equites but no legionary cav.

I I don't think that pretorians left to offset anything.
I think that is just plain oversight, since they are in palace and all other units with barracks.
Armor before its time, testudo before its time, insane stats compared to principes, inconsistant with praetorian cavalry (why one, why not another).

**pezhetairoi** · 05-26-2005, 08:14

Not true. Praetorians were originally both the city garrison of Rome and the emperor's own personal bodyguard. Not surprising therefore that you find them in the palace instead of in the barracks. Historically it makes sense.

**player1** · 05-26-2005, 09:43

Originally Posted by pezhetairoi

Not true. Praetorians were originally both the city garrison of Rome and the emperor's own personal bodyguard. Not surprising therefore that you find them in the palace instead of in the barracks. Historically it makes sense.

Praetorians, in form shown in game didn't exsisted before reforms.
They appeared in late republic (read: post marius) as a bodyduard cohorts for military leaders in their conquests. Later they became emperor guard (stationed in Rome), and senators got Urbans as an excuse for emperor having praetorians.

So it's hardly pre-marius unit, exempt if you think about 12 lictors that consul had before.