Armenian Issue - Not Genocide, here's why..

**LeftEyeNine** · 05-26-2005, 19:40

Originally Posted by The Wizard

Actually, the Ottoman government stated that its struggle against Armenian nationalists was a legitimate conflict -- "a state has the right to respond with arms to separatists." I quite agree with this philosophy myself.

However, as I recall, to respond to a separatist movement with a program of forced relocation, which leads to the death of somewhere in between tens of thousands and 1.2 million, is not the right of a state.

What is genocide? The fact that the Armenians died along the way to Aleppo etc. is not their fault, but that of the Ottoman government. Besides, explain to me what is fake about archived Ottoman photographs of soldiers posing before executed Armenians?

It seems to me there is a big disparity of numbers between both camps, and that both need to see through the large quantities of mud thrown to locate the truth.

~Wiz

I already accepted that there were murders under control of military during the relocation. No one is pure white, neither were the Armenians nor the Ottomans.

I know it was a long message up there. It was written that the Government archives say that the last population count was held in 1914 in which the Armenian population counted an exact number of 1.221.850. Does deciding to massacre the whole sum-up nation, none left behind seem logical in the middle of a war ?

The numbers are impossible to believe. And if both sides lose, it is a battle not a genocide, you can not ignore 500.000 dead bodies and talk about Armenian genocide.

One photo tells something but does not describe everything. So does the fictive 1.2-million-murder depend on a bunch of photos ? The cameras should have ultra-hi tech lenses.

**LeftEyeNine** · 05-26-2005, 20:32

Taff, If you are talking about Talat Pasha's documents, I will be proving that they were fake.

If you find time, please dig that stuff for me, I'd love to see what it is.

**Taffy_is_a_Taff** · 05-26-2005, 21:57

It wasn't just Talat Pasha, there were a few other important people whose opinions have are recorded.
Ataturk also had some things to say about the actions of his predecessors.

Sorry, I really don't have the time to look for that at the moment. If I happen upon it I'll let you know.

I understand that there is a major international project starting to research the history of the events that you are talking about: previously unavailable records etc. are seeing the light of day. I'll be interested to see what their results are.

**LeftEyeNine** · 05-26-2005, 22:50

Anyway, thanks. If you ever have the time on that, please inform me.

I also appreciate your expectations on new foundings, that really means something for us.

**Kalle** · 05-27-2005, 08:58

What I just recently heard was that indeed there was gonna be a big academic conference about this issue in Turkey very soon but some Turkish minister stopped it, wonder why....

Kalle

**LeftEyeNine** · 05-27-2005, 09:37

It was Armenian minister stopping that, not Turkish ones. How come these news arrive there in such a shape ?

**LeftEyeNine** · 05-27-2005, 10:12

By the way, Government archives have been made available to ones that show interest in the issue, while Armenia is still reluctant to open theirs. That is the declaration of our Prime Minister.