Atlantis Total War

[Byzantine Prince]

Do you guys at least agree on the maps I have shown you. I can put together the expansion of the map as well the changing of the factions into atlantis.

[King of Atlantis]

I think me and chilly both want atlantis to be in the agean, we can discuss this further though...., the main problem is if we move atlantis over there then it is far from anything.


P.S please respond to my previous post

[Byzantine Prince]

Well I thought it was obvious that I was mountain time.

I think me and chilly both want atlantis to be in the agean

Ughh, well then will you at least enlarge the map, because the Agean is pretty small.

[King of Atlantis]

Atlantis doesnt have to fit the measurments given by plato as many historians believe the are 10 times to big.

I wasn't sure if you were mountain or pacific(not sure canadian rockies go to the coast??)

Anyways can you be here at...8 i believe.

Well got to go its getting late here.

-edit- thanks for showing intrest guys for awhile i was basically talking to myself here.

[King of Atlantis]

-ORDER OF BUSINESS-
Heres a list of things we need to decide on before we star modding-

MOD NAME-

Atlantis total war-maybe when complete conversion, but not now
Total war-atlantis invasion
Total war- Return of Atlantis(my favorite)


LOCATION OF ATLANTIS:
Heres a list of all the places i have heard of atlantis being....

Ireland-probably not
Antartica-ruled out for this mod
Contenient in the atlantic-possible
Sicily-also possilbe
crete/thera-possible
heres my fav-an island in the somewhere in the east mediteranean

FACTION SYMBOLS-
I posted a few earlier..
Another idea is an atlantean cross, Heres a description

FACTION COLORS-
purple- gold
navy blue-black
navy blue-white
green/blue-black
green/blue-white
Chilly did you already decide??

UNIT list-
Chilly has one but we should get together and make a full one

HISTORY VS. FANTASY


Those are the main issues that need to be discussed.

STORYLINE:

Chilly- I've tried to make a dramtic story

At its height atlantis sent out explorers to teach the world in their ways(Pyramids around the world!!). After many many years the voyagers decendents came back to their homeland only to find it ruins! Who was to blame?? THE FOUL GREEKS! The atlanteans came to see their enemies the athenians have colonized europe/asia . They wage a long war with the greeks and come out victorious! Now the must rebuild their once great city and conquer the BARBARIANS!!!!

What do you think?

Anyways,

[Muska Burnt]

i found a website that talks about the atlantic army it says they had chariots and elephants or mammoths ya much more about cavarlary than infantry so maybe you should make them cavalry strong like mammoth riders or mammoth chariots? also how they had a large population and very rich since there was a abundance of metals

p.s. this is the linkd

http://www.atlan.org/articles/checklist/

[Muska Burnt]

sorry about the double post it doesn't let me edit my post for some reason but i got info about the atlantic army according to plato ill give you the link hope you find ituseful


once agains talk about many mayn horse war units
also found something about athens defeated atlantis in a war despite atlantis's advances in technology



http://www.was-this-atlantis.info/size.html

[Byzantine Prince]

LOCATION OF ATLANTIS:
Heres a list of all the places i have heard of atlantis being....


Contenient in the atlantic-possible
heres my fav-an island in the somewhere in the east mediteranean

Either one is good with me. Just as long as it's not tiny.

FACTION SYMBOLS-
I posted a few earlier..
Another idea is an atlantean cross

I could do some tricks with that cross if you guys haven't already.

FACTION COLORS-
purple- gold
navy blue-black
navy blue-white
green/blue-black
green/blue-white
Chilly did you already decide??

I like the purple/gold selection, or sky(baby)-blue with white.

UNIT list-
Chilly has one but we should get together and make a full one

*feiiw* thank zeus I don't have to do any of that, it's so fun hard.

STORYLINE:

Chilly- I've tried to make a dramtic story

At its height atlantis sent out explorers to teach the world in their ways(Pyramids around the world!!). After many many years the voyagers decendents came back to their homeland only to find it ruins! Who was to blame?? THE FOUL GREEKS! The atlanteans came to see their enemies the athenians have colonized europe/asia . They wage a long war with the greeks and come out victorious! Now the must rebuild their once great city and conquer the BARBARIANS!!!!

What do you think?

Well as a Greek myself I can't help but find it a little offensive.

!BP!

[Byzantine Prince]

I won't be able to be here tommorow. I have a previous engagement, so please inform me on any decisions. I will probably be available late at night.

Oh and BTW do you think we could use the shape and names of this island to make Atlantis?

I like the names for the provinces.

[Chilly5]

sorry i'm late and havent talked very much, i was sleeping but the big supprise is that last night my mom sat through her last night of pregnecy and has born my baby brother! i have a brother! *cries*

ok, i dont really like the idea of atlantis appearing in the middle or nowhere, and as long as the story comes in telling how the replaced faction is gone its good. i think the atlantis faction should find atlantis in ruins and rebuild, not somwhere else trying to kill the greeks (BP ur a greek?! ahhh! greeks are my favorite! i study them all the time! this doesnt mean i'm hitting on u or anything as i think this would be gay, or are u a girl too? considering ur a prince, id say ur a male . . . .).

no i havent decided the faction colors as i was sleeping but i still want an original blue-green, it gives it sortof an aquatic feeling . . . . y'know? atlantis is a island and has mermaids and crap like that . . . well maybe not mermaids but they were an aquatic people.

and king of atlantis ur story has some faults, y'd think that if atlantis sent out explorers, they would still recieve news and crap? and where do they get enough people and soldiers to take a province and start an empire? here's my second story try:

atlantis was once great and very advanced. they had already sent many people to the moon and has advanced enough to colonized (sp?) on mars (which is why we get signs of life and water). they build a seperate empire on mars, closely allied but governed by a differnt ruler. now one day mars-atlantis has recived no messages of any sort from earth-atlantis. and decades after, the same thing happens, but they thought it must be a comunication problem of a sort, but after centuries of investigating (a long time but oh well), they decide to send people down to earth and check wats goin on. send a small army too, in case its a invasion, and they find that atalntis is in ruins, and rebuild and retake blah blah blah, and forge an empire and destroying another in the process.

now, i believe, since atlantis is uber advanced, and since its religious and scientific, the units will be well trained and given the best equipment around, that seems a little uber, dont u think? so one way of solving this problem on the campain is to make atlantis start out uber weak. they will have one province, no allies, one army guarding atlantis and the army will be made of levies and iregulars and millitia, they will have very bad trade too . . . and start out with very little funds, they will have very bad first level-so units and uber late units. i think this is fair, considering how uber they are. i also think that since i dont think that cultures can be changed (or at least i dont want to) , that atlantis should be hellinistic (its a greek myth afterall . . ..) , which is why i liked the idea of a island in the agean, that destroies the greek cities.

whew, long post.

[Chilly5]

oh and btw, i'm making a ton of first stage concept art, and considering a big painting of them . . . . but none of my concept units can be achieved until i have a really good grip on moddeling . . ..

[King of Atlantis]

Since were making atlantis replace greece i think we should explain what happend to greece(destroyed by atlantis)

Chilly i like your new idea better but if atlanteans just came from mars they would have guns, etc.... Maybe they could have been rebels that fled to south america, and then returened to conquer atlantis but find atlantis in ruins.

For color i like the purple gold, But blue-green works too.

Bp, the atlanteans were the enemies of athens, so it would stand to reason that the hated them, thats from the perspective that i wrote that story.

So, chilly you think atlantean cross would work as faction symbol, or do you want the wave??

Bp, i'll copy the chat and then p.m it to you


Atlantis could be there in the shape of bp's thing???


By the way, maybe we should replace thrace instead of greece, that way atlantis still has their rival, we have greek culture, and thrace is useless anyways.

[King of Atlantis]

i found a website that talks about the atlantic army it says they had chariots and elephants or mammoths ya much more about cavarlary than infantry so maybe you should make them cavalry strong like mammoth riders or mammoth chariots? also how they had a large population and very rich since there was a abundance of metals

p.s. this is the linkd

http://www.atlan.org/articles/checklist/

Sounds like a good idea, but we dont have a modeller who could do that. That sounds like something in hoggy's league

[Byzantine Prince]

Atlantis could be there in the shape of bp's thing???


By the way, maybe we should replace thrace instead of greece, that way atlantis still has their rival, we have greek culture, and thrace is useless anyways.

I can start working on that if guys don't have anyone else. I alsready have all the info on how to do it. It shouldn't take more then a week. Is it kewl?

[Muska Burnt]

what about the island of thera i hope that the right name

[Chilly5]

well, people can go to mars without guns . . . and in my pre-made tech tree, one of the last level units, in the "experimental" catagory, not elite and not levy, but like a trial, they have a early gun men unit and one was light sabers too . . . . . but i dont really like purple and gold too much, maybe blue-green and gold? or blue green and purple? i think gold would be better . . . and as for thrace, i would want to get rid of the useless faction too . .. but there's just no real story behind it, and how could greece be a enemy of athens when atlantis is said to exsist 10000 years before the golden age of greece? there werent even mionian civilization by then . . in fact it was just cave men .. . . and . . . yeah, should i go on to painting a concept art? can we get a modeler soon? i am in the very very early process of making a model, i still dont know if any work . . . .

[Chilly5]

oh, and i dont think thera will be there, also we need a explanation of how a big island in the middle of nowhere appeared, and i dont think it should be any bigger than rhodes, smaller if possible, and i like the idea of a wave with a island on top, the cross . . . atlantis wasnt chatholic right?

[Byzantine Prince]

I would guess peopel that advanced were atheist.

Ok so do you guys want me to place the island in the eastern mediterranean or just as a thin piece of land in the Atlantic? If we put in the Atlantic then we have more room for provinces. I can show you also maps that show the immigration of the survivors of Atlantis and why some celtic cultures were so advanced etc. It's really quite interesting and based on facts.

[King of Atlantis]

okay so faction colors are blue-green/gold

Bp i think you can start putting the island in the eastern med., it is much better for gameplay. By the way you guys think we should use mm map?

Chilly when he described atlantis he gave much info on the island. If you look at this data it makes atlantis look to be a bronze age civilization. HE also said that atlantis was at war with athens and eygpt at the same time. A civ could go to mars before they invent a gun but it is very unlikley.

What it comes down to is are we going to make atlantis realistic or some extremly high tech civilisation that it ahead of our time(we havent gotten people to mars.)

The atlantean cross is used by an atlantean cult( not cristians) that believe they are descended from atlantis.

As for the island the new atlanteans could have resurected it from the ocean(like stargate )

Chilly do you like the atlantean rebel storyline?

[Byzantine Prince]

Bp i think you can start putting the island in the eastern med., it is much better for gameplay. By the way you guys think we should use mm map?

That's kewl. Is that like my role now?

HE also said that atlantis was at war with athens and eygpt at the same time.

Umm, Atlantis existed 10,000 years before Plato. I find it hard to believe they would be at war with some cavemen in Athens.

What it comes down to is are we going to make atlantis realistic or some extremly high tech civilisation that it ahead of our time(we havent gotten people to mars.)

Ok here's what I think.
1. We don't have the modding skills nor would we able to incorporate high tech weapons and gadgets that are outside the game's capabilities.

2. If we add all this fantasy stuff, it'll take away from the feel of Atlantis as an archaic civilization with technology that although advanced, is also pretty simplistic. Therefore I think we are safe in making them similar to a mixture of Greek and Persian units. That will save us alot of modding time as well.

!Byz!

[King of Atlantis]

That's kewl. Is that like my role now?

guess so, i think we should use mm map(with permision) any objections?

Umm, Atlantis existed 10,000 years before Plato. I find it hard to believe they would be at war with some cavemen in Athens.

As i have sais before many historians trying to bputut atlantis in reality say platos numbers were 10 times to big(even plato thought the numbers for size and age of atlantis were impossible)

Ok here's what I think.
1. We don't have the modding skills nor would we able to incorporate high tech weapons and gadgets that are outside the game's capabilities.

2. If we add all this fantasy stuff, it'll take away from the feel of Atlantis as an archaic civilization with technology that although advanced, is also pretty simplistic. Therefore I think we are safe in making them similar to a mixture of Greek and Persian units. That will save us alot of modding time as well.

My thoughts exactly which is why i like my story about returnig atlantean rebels.

As for getting rid of thrace its simple, they are still there, just not important enough to be a faction. For example EB got rid of numidia for bactria, but that doesn't mean the numidians are dead, just that the arnt as major a force as bactria>

[Chilly5]

ub cant just "rreplace" them, how did the thracian faciton just "disapear"? players will want to know why they cant play as thrace anymore, and i dont like ur rebel idea, even if they were rebels, they would still get enough news to find out that atalntis was destroyed, and if the rebels came in, rebels against atlantis, why the hell would they want to rebuild their enemy? maybe not a good example . . . ok, never mind, but south american atlantian rebels will have south american traits right? so not the best thing, and even rebels will know that the greatest civilization in the world has fallen when it does , other than that, why the hell would atlantian rebels be in south america?

so the colors are blue-green/gold and there will be no fantasy gun units, can we still have automatons? i dont really think that we should add mundus magnus, since it doesnt boost anything we're trying to accomplish here, i think that atalntis should be on a single, small island, they will start out uber weak in economy and military, since they are uber strong in later times, and we still need a reason why thrace will be gone!

and we need a experienced modeler!

[Chilly5]

oh, and it shouldnt be a mixture of greek and persian, it should be a mixture of hellenistic and egyptian, since persia wasnt anywhere there and egypt was a major force

[King of Atlantis]

we dont need to replace thrace. IN EB numidia was changed to bactria. Numidia didnt disapear the are still in the game(represented as rebels) but just not playable. Thrace wasnt even a nation then anyways. We dont need a cover story, all we need to say is that thrace was judged unecasry. The thracians wont be zapped from the game, their cities and rebel armies would still be there. Replacing the thracians would also mean no faction color conflict.

automatons- Maybe, dont know what those are.

Yah it should be greek/eygption

Why have mm? Why not? If were making a mod it should be as enjoyable as possible. WHile were at it we could include skin packs as well.

As for the storyline chilly please dont get mad im just trying to make a realistic explantation.

Heres my best right now- There was a great civil war and the losers fled away to the end of the earth(south america whatever). They wouldnt hear the news of atlantis falling because it is hard to get news across an ocean with bronze age tech( what atlantis presumaly had). After thousand of years living in their new home(never changing culture though) the descendents of the rebels decide to revenge their ancestors and take back the land that was once theirs. When they arive their island has sunk and their enemies long dead. Now they must rebuild the civillzation that they once fought to rule.

Wave with island works for faction symbol, i was just trying to find intersting stuff.

Edit-nobody is at the chat so ill try back at 11 and maybe 12- 3 at the org time

[Byzantine Prince]

Who gives **** about the story. That's just one paragraph in the beginning. All the work goes into the mapping and the modelling, that's what we need to focus on.

I also think we should hand out the assignments so this doesn't drag on too long.

[Chilly5]

u know wat we need? we need our own forums, this is begining to be major, and we dont want to use up org space, should i go and make our forums or something using invision? or pro? though i dont really have any experience at it, are any of u better?

[Chilly5]

and yeah, we need to hand out asinments, but how? and to who? i can only skin, BP can map and, and wat? and KOA is still learning . . . and we dont have a moddeler! we are not ready for that step yet! hmm, prehpas i can skin one unit (armed recruits) and show that off so that a moddeler will join us, but then i'll need to draw final stage concept art to show him (/her) wat i'll want . . .

[Ianofsmeg16]

well, are you going to have it as a seperate island or an extension of crete or sumting cos i can do camp map editing aswell? i'll help...if you want me to

[SicilianVespers]

Here are a couple maps you may find useful...

[King of Atlantis]

Chilly forums would be nice... I can make one but it would be generic.

Alright so were going to replace thrace-

faction colors-blue-green/gold

faction icon-wave with island

location of atlantis- isle in eastern mediterean

unit list-chilly could you post yours

Chilly it might be hard to a modeler.

Chilly you need to vote on a name
Rome Total War: invasion of atlantis
Rome Total War: Return of Atlantis

ian of smeg BP has the map under control i think



edit-http://s7.invisionfree.com/Return_of_Atlantis/index.php im attempting to make a board here but it doent look pretty