...not only are we going to sponsor a state execution, we're not going to even put it off 90 days so the executee could donate a potentially life-saving portion of his liver to his sister.
Way to go, Awesomica!
We are such proponents of a culture of life that...
...not only are we going to sponsor a state execution, we're not going to even put it off 90 days so the executee could donate a potentially life-saving portion of his liver to his sister.
Way to go, Awesomica!
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thats nice of him
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Not sure why they couldn't take his liver now, but if that is not possible then they should put it off until it is and then execute him.
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-- John Stewart Mills
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why don't they rip out his liver now, as part of the execution? Just a thought don't flame.
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What a sickening statement. "Sorry, I'm so obsessed with getting revenge that I'm going to let an entirely innocent person suffer."Julie Woodard, Hutslar's great niece, said she did not wish any harm to Johnson's sister. But if Johnson were allowed to donate the liver, she said, "He is going to be remembered more as a hero for saving his sister than for this brutal murder."
I hope that bad things happen to Ms. Woodward.
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Julie Woodard, Hutslar's great niece, said she did not wish any harm to Johnson's sister. But if Johnson were allowed to donate the liver, she said, "He is going to be remembered more as a hero for saving his sister than for this brutal murder."
Well she didn't stomp an old lady to death. He did! So I will reserve my 'hoping bad things happen' for the brutal murderer rather than the upset niece!Originally Posted by Big King Sanctaphrax
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Sympathy is quite in order for the niece. But she lost someone dear to her in what? 1985? And now she still needs to sate her basest desire for bloodthirst and revenge? The guy's still getting killed, for Christ's sake. No one's going to think, "Boy, that murderer used to seem like such scum until he helped his sister out! It's almost like now that he donated his liver, he only broke 8 ribs on that old lady, instead of 20!!!"
I'm not mad at her, she isn't making the decision. It's the Indiana Parole Board that needs pies thrown at it.
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you throw the pies, i'll snatch their livers!!
now i'm here, and history is vindicated.
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Who's bringing the Chianti and farva?
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So good, I had to add it to my signature.
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What I am saying is that we should reserve our sympathy for those who were victims of violent crimes not those who commit them. I would not take her advice on what to do as it is clearly biased and with good reason. He is scum, but by his actions he seems not to be total scum and that is all to the good. I agree about the Indiana Parole Board as common sense would suggest that his sister who is also a lesser victim of his actions should be given some consideration as well. We should remove his liver now if he is willing and that seems to be the case and send it to his sister.
If the murderers family suddenly does not want that to happen then this would be no more than a delaying action.
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
-- John Stewart Mills
But from the absolute will of an entire people there is no appeal, no redemption, no refuge but treason.
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Bad things are happening to the murderer.
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Then why wish evil on someone simply because they are not willing to forgive and forget? She had someone close to her murdered and does not want good things to happen to him. That she should be angry and bitter at this is hardly a surprise. She at least made the point that she had no ill will towards the man's sister even if she is not willing to delay justice on her behalf.
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
-- John Stewart Mills
But from the absolute will of an entire people there is no appeal, no redemption, no refuge but treason.
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"Forgivenness" is not needed in a country where "revenge" is more important, i.e. the legalisation of the "Death Penalty". I am not surprised by the attitude shown here.
BTW: I do not support the death penalty. The State "killing" people may only justify in small-minded people that "killing" is OK, when someone does something wrong. If the government can do it why shouldn't I.
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"What I am saying is that we should reserve our sympathy for those who were victims of violent crimes not those who commit them."
The sypathy is not for the convict, rather it is for the sister.
"Not sure why they couldn't take his liver now, but if that is not possible then they should put it off until it is and then execute him."
Because, that would kill him, and personally, I would not like the state to execute someone by having contaminated blood or by starving to death without bile, whichever comes first.
The problem I find with his request is that organ donation is given to the top of the list first, not where she is. If he wants to donate his liver, good for him, all the power to him. That's one less spot that his sister has to wait for anyways.
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The upset niece who if she has her way could directly contribute to the death of an innocent.
I'd call it murder.
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Originally Posted by sharrukin
Well she didn't stomp an old lady to death. He did! So I will reserve my 'hoping bad things happen' for the brutal murderer rather than the upset niece!
He committed murder and was sentenced to death for his crime. He cannot exercise the freedoms he would normally have if he wasn't a 'Brutal Murderer'. So the niece is the one who is supposed to assume the burden of looking after his sister. His family is the last group of people on earth she should have any responsibility to look out for. And if she doesn't spend time and effort looking after his family she is in your eyes just as bad as he is?
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"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
-- John Stewart Mills
But from the absolute will of an entire people there is no appeal, no redemption, no refuge but treason.
LORD ACTON
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In her world, she would prefer that he could not donate a vital organ to his sister.
But for that wish, the vital organ would go to the sister, saving her. But for her actions, the sister will die. Do what you will with the murderer, but why should another innocent become a victim as well.
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maybe we can rip julie woodard's liver out?
now i'm here, and history is vindicated.
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Maybe we should just get on with the damn program. I'm sure there's other kidney watchamagics out there.This guy is the scum of society. The sooner he get's plugged out the better for everyone.
Why is it that we need excuses to not execute people like this?
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First of all organ donation is no joke; people die waiting for new kidney's, hearts etc.Maybe we should just get on with the damn program. I'm sure there's other kidney watchamagics out there.
Why is it that we need excuses to not execute people like this?
Secondly he's going to be executed, does it really matter if the state waits 90 days to do it?
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If we take out his liver and put it in his sister isn't like part of him is still alive (liver and soul instead of heart and soul) so he escapes the totality of his sentence.
and what if he is evil and his evil is manifested in his liver, and it consumes his sister and she goes on a rampage stomping people's aunts to death in order to feed it's insatiable liver hunger?
Haven't we learned anything from thousands of horror/sci fi movies people? Too risky, I say fry him then dismember the corpse and burn the scraps, shoot the ash into a part of space where we never intend to go.
or maybe we could apply just a little common sense . . .
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