Complaint.

**vale** · 06-01-2005, 11:24

Yeah, now I definitly think about it when the expan come out with feature like that. As some of you said but after you take the insurgent army side will you able to become the faction that you turn against once you defeated the loyalist army? Cause that will be great

**Magraev** · 06-01-2005, 12:41

The GH emergence needed at bit of polish to be good. They always came in the same year, so empty those provinces the year before (so they come with less troops) and move your army in to quench them the first year. Seemed silly.

Loved the idea though, but HA's are just so annoying to fight i'd usually autoresolve...

**Jambo** · 06-01-2005, 14:58

Agreed, Horse Archers were a nightmare to fight. Chasing skirmishing horses all over the battlefield with Infantry is not my idea of fun. For HA units it might have been better to give them fewer arrows but make them far more deadly.

**Puzz3D** · 06-01-2005, 15:24

Originally Posted by Jambo

Agreed, Horse Archers were a nightmare to fight. Chasing skirmishing horses all over the battlefield with Infantry is not my idea of fun.

It's funny because that's what LongJohn said when Magyar asked about improving cavalry archers in STW. Cavalry archers had an anti-unit in STW which was the faster yari cavalry. It wasn't historical, but it provided an interesting gameplay within the cavalry units.

**Jambo** · 06-01-2005, 16:15

Originally Posted by Puzz3D

It's funny because that's what LongJohn said when Magyar asked about improving cavalry archers in STW. Cavalry archers had an anti-unit in STW which was the faster yari cavalry. It wasn't historical, but it provided an interesting gameplay within the cavalry units.

Heh, and all the better it was for it! This is one of these clear situations where gameplay should supersede historical accuracy. Good on you LohnJohn (I wish he'd never left CA). As a result I never minded horse archers in STW simply because I knew I could build a unit of Yari cav to counter them. Now, in Rome it's a case of Ctrl + A and target the horse archers until they (hopefully) get caught or rout. Otherwise, it's leave computer and get a beer while the insanely stupid chase round the square battle map ensues...

For that reason alone I never play against the Eastern factions. One could consider making all horse archer units use the "heavy horse" model because I think I'm correct in saying that it's slower??

**cunctator** · 06-01-2005, 17:36

Foot archers are good and accurate counter against horse archers. There is no need to introduce ahistorical elements in gameplay. I never have problems fighting eastern factions.

**Jambo** · 06-03-2005, 16:08

Originally Posted by cunctator

Foot archers are good and accurate counter against horse archers. There is no need to introduce ahistorical elements in gameplay. I never have problems fighting eastern factions.

Not every faction has access to foot archers ...

**Betito** · 06-03-2005, 15:01

Originally Posted by vale

Yeah, now I definitly think about it when the expan come out with feature like that. As some of you said but after you take the insurgent army side will you able to become the faction that you turn against once you defeated the loyalist army? Cause that will be great

Don't know how it would work in Rome, but in Medieval, once you chose a side, the other side appeared as rebels, and you got to keep the faction colours. Now, i don't remember if you kept the alliances if you backed the disloyal generals...