Complaint.

**Puzz3D** · 06-01-2005, 15:24

Originally Posted by Jambo

Agreed, Horse Archers were a nightmare to fight. Chasing skirmishing horses all over the battlefield with Infantry is not my idea of fun.

It's funny because that's what LongJohn said when Magyar asked about improving cavalry archers in STW. Cavalry archers had an anti-unit in STW which was the faster yari cavalry. It wasn't historical, but it provided an interesting gameplay within the cavalry units.

**Jambo** · 06-01-2005, 16:15

Originally Posted by Puzz3D

It's funny because that's what LongJohn said when Magyar asked about improving cavalry archers in STW. Cavalry archers had an anti-unit in STW which was the faster yari cavalry. It wasn't historical, but it provided an interesting gameplay within the cavalry units.

Heh, and all the better it was for it! This is one of these clear situations where gameplay should supersede historical accuracy. Good on you LohnJohn (I wish he'd never left CA). As a result I never minded horse archers in STW simply because I knew I could build a unit of Yari cav to counter them. Now, in Rome it's a case of Ctrl + A and target the horse archers until they (hopefully) get caught or rout. Otherwise, it's leave computer and get a beer while the insanely stupid chase round the square battle map ensues...

For that reason alone I never play against the Eastern factions. One could consider making all horse archer units use the "heavy horse" model because I think I'm correct in saying that it's slower??

**cunctator** · 06-01-2005, 17:36

Foot archers are good and accurate counter against horse archers. There is no need to introduce ahistorical elements in gameplay. I never have problems fighting eastern factions.

**Jambo** · 06-03-2005, 16:08

Originally Posted by cunctator

Foot archers are good and accurate counter against horse archers. There is no need to introduce ahistorical elements in gameplay. I never have problems fighting eastern factions.

Not every faction has access to foot archers ...

**Orda Khan** · 06-03-2005, 16:44

If the answer to HA is to simply make a counter unit like the ahistorical Yari cav unit, why would anyone then bother with HA?
Eastern armies would lose their uniqueness and westernised warfare would prevail. How is this a good move?

HA can be countered and if a faction has no archers I am sure they have slingers who are adequate. Inventing some cock and bull unit because HA are hard to catch certainly is no answer IMO

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Re-emerging factions.......yes
Civil war.......definitely!!!

.......Orda

**Puzz3D** · 06-03-2005, 18:55

Originally Posted by Orda Khan

If the answer to HA is to simply make a counter unit like the ahistorical Yari cav unit, why would anyone then bother with HA?

Because the yari cav had a counterunit. That's why.

**Orda Khan** · 06-03-2005, 23:08

That is fine, if you are playing STW and have identical units. Both MTW and RTW feature different factions with unique units so giving each a yari cav type counter would return to STW.
The one thing I really enjoyed about MTW campaign was the different tactics required with each faction.
But I am off topic

......Orda

**Jambo** · 06-06-2005, 09:49

Originally Posted by Orda Khan

If the answer to HA is to simply make a counter unit like the ahistorical Yari cav unit, why would anyone then bother with HA?
Eastern armies would lose their uniqueness and westernised warfare would prevail. How is this a good move?

HA can be countered and if a faction has no archers I am sure they have slingers who are adequate. Inventing some cock and bull unit because HA are hard to catch certainly is no answer IMO

.......Orda

Slingers have a lower range and so aren't an adequate counter.