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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
    Does a firearm make it easier for the criminal to preform that act? Sure if they desire to shoot the person from a distance - however take a look at the statistics on close range firing of weapons verus long range use for criminal acts.

    redleg seen as i haven't got a clue where i would find those, and seen as you now is it stabbing range ?
    Most people can not hit what they are aiming at. The statistics are fairly simple to find if you want to search.

    A sample.

    Firearm Defensive Training
    Precision UNDER Pressure
    Bureau Of Justice Statistics Reveal:

    Attempting to use complex motor skills such as sight alignment is impossible under life threatening conditions.
    Most armed confrontations occur at a range of less than 10 feet and in light too dim to see the gun sights.
    Half of the bullets fired during firefights do not hit their designated targets.
    Fine motor skills that require a deliberate cognitive process and physical coordination deteriorate under stress.
    The majority of murders are committed with a firearm.
    The average engagement time is 2.5 seconds.
    http://dmi.mindfireis.com/frontEnd/c...?categoryID=37


    Criminals will use weapons to achieve their desired result - to harm you, take your processions, and to render you inefficient in defending yourself. If the criminal intends you harm - a knife is just as efficient in killing a human being once the criminal has decided what is intent is.

    i have to disagree a knife is not as efficient for killing as a gun.

    Im just wondering seen as knifes are as effective for killing as guns, why do criminals seem to prefer guns to knifes ? and why do homeowners prefer guns to knifes for home defense ?
    Once again - try actually reading what I have written instead of attempting to counter a point that I have not made. The arguement I am using is that knives are indeed dangerous and are just as efficient at killing others - when the criminal's intent is to do just that.

    Frankly gun control - and the jest of this article - about weapon control is an action of governments that want to overprotect its citizens. Nothing more. However I see from the jest of the other responses - some of you just don't get it - because of your inablity to see beyond you own position and arguement.

    Nothing of what I have stated is toward the gun control arguement - What I have stated is that knives are just as efficient in killing other human beings when the intent of the criminal is to do just that. However some of you can go on believing what you want. I don't like handguns myself - because there is limited purposes for that type of weapon. I prefer my shotguns and rifles. However those that advocate gun control wish not only to remove handguns - but other firearms.

    Arguements such as these statements are disengenous and I image the individual knows it.

    How many mass slayings with knives are done?Can you remember the killings in Africa not to long ago - lots of people killed with macheties

    How many bank robberies?

    How many guns for home protection are used on those they are supposed to protect?
    O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean

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    Once again - try actually reading what I have written instead of attempting to counter a point that I have not made.

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    a knife is just as efficient in killing a human being

    i would assume a criminal or someone defending thier house would take the most efficient killing weapon, most when given the choice would pick a gun over a knife, why they are equally eficient at killing does this occur ?

    sorry if im misunderstanding you im not doing it intentionally but it does appear to me its the argument your making...

    some of you just don't get it - because of your inablity to see beyond you own position and arguement.

    maybe you are the one who just doesn't get it ? maybe you are the one who can't see past your position or argument ? maybe instead of trading insults we should stick to the argument ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
    Once again - try actually reading what I have written instead of attempting to counter a point that I have not made.

    you said

    a knife is just as efficient in killing a human being

    i would assume a criminal or someone defending thier house would take the most efficient killing weapon, most when given the choice would pick a gun over a knife, why they are equally eficient at killing does this occur ?

    sorry if im misunderstanding you im not doing it intentionally but it does appear to me its the argument your making...
    Yes a knife is just as efficient in killing a human being - in fact a knife is probably more efficient if you want to use the word correctly. Most individuals that commit crimes with a gun shoot more then once at their intended target - so as far as efficiency goes... I can play the word game even more given the nature of the discussion. People pick guns because it gives you more chances at hitting the target not because its an efficient killing device. - verus only one that the knife offers.
    some of you just don't get it - because of your inablity to see beyond you own position and arguement.

    maybe you are the one who just doesn't get it ? maybe you are the one who can't see past your position or argument ? maybe instead of trading insults we should stick to the argument ?

    Want to see me insult someone - its not to hard. However when one counters an arguement with disengous rethoric - I have a tendency to point it out in a very direct and harsh way. Which is exactly what I have done - when you and others get off the disengous rethoric - then I will become less harsh in my response to your statements.

    Many weapons that are used by criminals are already banned or restricted - but does that keep them out of the hands of criminals? No because a criminal already intends to break the law - hince the term criminal.

    If you go back and read a little LittleGriz - you will find that I am against assualt weapons and handguns - but will not support futher gun control until the government adequately enforces the laws that are already on the books in my country. Restricting my ownership of hunting rifles and shotguns will not solve the problem, all it will do is make a vast majority of honest law abidding citizen violate the law.

    New laws and new restrictions will not solve the problem - especially when the older laws are not being enforce adequately.

    And then again it seems you haven't answered the initial intent of my first post. Do you have any idea what it takes to kill another human being - the weapon is the easiest thing after the decision. If an individual has no conscience or decides to kill another human being - the matter of getting the weapon to do it with will happen - be it a gun, a knife, a rock, or a sharp pointy stick. Gun control legistlation will never fix this problem - and its the reason why gun control will never get beyond the basic restrictions of certain types of weapons in the United States.

    In Europe it seems you want to believe that the government will protect you and yours whenever it is needed. In the United States many people still believe that its up to the individual to protect themselves and what is theirs from the criminal.
    O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean

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