CIty populations caps for barbarians hard coded?

**Eukatae** · 05-28-2005, 18:51

Ok I was wrong there is no cap at 10240 but there seems to be only 2 growth triggers for barbarian citys: town to large town, large town to minor city. I cannot get minor city to large city or large city to huge city to trigger an event.

**Encaitar** · 05-29-2005, 01:57

In vanilla rome, barbarians cannot build large or huge cities, correct.

**Epistolary Richard** · 05-29-2005, 19:55

Yes, but if you want to mod them to become another faction you may want to allow that faction to have larger cities.

**Encaitar** · 05-30-2005, 02:27

If you do give barbarian factions the ability to build large and huge cities (in export_descr_buildings.txt), you also need to edit descr_sm_settlements.txt and define what models are used for the large and huge barbarian culture cities.

**Sid_Quibley** · 05-30-2005, 13:51

Just out of interest, does anyone know the population caps,and whether they are hard/soft coded?

**Eukatae** · 05-31-2005, 05:40

Originally Posted by Encaitar

If you do give barbarian factions the ability to build large and huge cities (in export_descr_buildings.txt), you also need to edit descr_sm_settlements.txt and define what models are used for the large and huge barbarian culture cities.

I don't think giving a faction the ability to build all the core buildings allows them to exceed minor city level; I would love to know how to.

**knoddy** · 05-31-2005, 06:01

im pretty sure that there is no pop cap/limit for babarians as current there is only 2 reasons y they cannot build past the minor city lv.
1. they cannot build that lv core buildings, this is simple to fix, just go into descr_buildings(i think) and change it so that barbarians(might have to do for individual factions might be cultural)
2. there is no modles for higher than minor city, so theoretically it should just be a matter of creating the modles and getting them in game
NOTE i do not know if this is correct or not i assume it is but i could be wrong if someone has gotten this working in game please post, if u have tried and failed let us know too so we can work it out.

btw

They also seem to build squalor much faster than other factions

this is not true. i dont know about ur experiences with babarians but in my games they r the best at dealing with squalor, they dont seem to suffer as much from it and also since their cities cant(currently) go past minor city, the cant get huge lvs of squalor in the cities. its such a pain to have ur huge cities with like 130% squalor penalty(before the patch, i think it was capped at 100 wasnt it?) and a distance from capital penalty of like 100% lol.
cheers knoddy

**Eukatae** · 05-31-2005, 12:51

Originally Posted by knoddy

im pretty sure that there is no pop cap/limit for babarians as current there is only 2 reasons y they cannot build past the minor city lv.
1. they cannot build that lv core buildings, this is simple to fix, just go into descr_buildings(i think) and change it so that barbarians(might have to do for individual factions might be cultural)
2. there is no modles for higher than minor city, so theoretically it should just be a matter of creating the modles and getting them in game
NOTE i do not know if this is correct or not i assume it is but i could be wrong if someone has gotten this working in game please post, if u have tried and failed let us know too so we can work it out.

btw this is not true. i dont know about ur experiences with babarians but in my games they r the best at dealing with squalor, they dont seem to suffer as much from it and also since their cities cant(currently) go past minor city, the cant get huge lvs of squalor in the cities. its such a pain to have ur huge cities with like 130% squalor penalty(before the patch, i think it was capped at 100 wasnt it?) and a distance from capital penalty of like 100% lol.
cheers knoddy

They don't build squalor faster, I was testing population effects with cheat codes ,20k barbarians in a minor city do build huge amounts of squalor, but if you set the starting city size to huge in descr_strat.txt they have normal squalor. Problem is even with the ability to build the third and fourth stage core buildings they don't trigger the upgrade_city_large_city event when reaching 12k, and remain at the minor city stage; thus the core buildings do not apear in the build option menu. You can start the campain with huge citys and imperial palaces already built, I used the roman city images for those stages in testing, but it is a huge advantage in that they can build anything, populations grow quickly, and civil content is high.