Fall of Constantinople

**edyzmedieval** · 05-28-2005, 20:34

WOW!!!!! Medieval History Magazine!!!!!! Man, where can I find this??????!!!!!!!

Incredible!!!!!!!!!

**ShadesPanther** · 05-28-2005, 21:19

http://www.deremilitari.org/news/med...rymagazine.htm

although

http://www.harnois.co.uk/magazine_issue_n1.php

**tibilicus** · 05-28-2005, 21:29

Yep my monthly visit to the Monastry is here. I am still young so i dont know as much as you guys but anyway. I read that didnt the Turks in there seige build castles to stop boats geting through like a dam? So that the west could not provide resourses e.c.t? Any way it was brave how they fought to the end 7000 Byzantines vs 80000 Turks. the Byzantine empire truley was one that was great. i think they should teach us more about this great empire by describing it as the continuation of the Roman. I salute those late dead soles who fought to the last to defend there glourious kingdom.

**Kagemusha** · 05-28-2005, 21:45

There is a Great novel by Mika Waltari called Mikael Angelikos its fiction but it tells a very beutifull but sad story about those last few weeks and the fall of Konstantinopol.

**The_Doctor** · 05-28-2005, 22:00

I can't the stand the Byzantine Empire. There is something about it that makes me hate it.

All I can think off is Greek churches. They look terrible. They look sort of classical, but with a tiny dome. And there is too much gold, like catholic churches, they are bling bling churches.

I am the anti-bling.

I have been Istanbul, which I think it Greek for "In the city" or somthing like that. It is an interesting place.

**ShadesPanther** · 05-28-2005, 22:46

Originally Posted by Martinus

I am the anti-bling.

Location: Merseyside

I have been Istanbul, which I think it Greek for "In the city" or somthing like that. It is an interesting place.

Constantinople means Constantines city (It was refered to as "Polis" The city)

Istanbul Is the Turkish name for it, It means the city and was renamed from constantinople in 1923

**The_Doctor** · 05-28-2005, 22:51

Constantinople means Constantines city (It was refered to as "Polis" The city)

I know that.

Istanbul Is the Turkish name for it, It means the city and was renamed from constantinople in 1923

The tour guide said it was Greek. So did Terry Jones on a program about the crusades.

**The Wizard** · 05-28-2005, 23:57

Originally Posted by ShadesPanther

Istanbul Is the Turkish name for it, It means the city and was renamed from constantinople in 1923

Istanbul is usually agreed to come from eis ten Polèn which is Greek for 'to the City'. The Byzantines casually called Constantinople hè Polis, the City. The phrase eis ten Polèn was on the roadsigns pointing in the direction of Constantinople. It was apparently dumbed down to Stamboul, from which Istanbul is easily derived.

And there is indeed nothing wrong with Istanbul. Wonderful city! I'm probably going to end up living there.

~Wiz

**Komutan** · 05-30-2005, 00:56

Originally Posted by tibilicus

I read that didnt the Turks in there seige build castles to stop boats geting through like a dam? So that the west could not provide resourses e.c.t?

The 2 forts, one built in Asian side and the other in the European side, prevented help arriving through the Black Sea. But the Genoese ships came from west(Mediterrenean).

**amazon77** · 05-30-2005, 01:39

It's not "Megalo Idea" but "Megali Idea". It means the Big Idea, which was an idiotic and militaristic idea the greek goverments of the 1920's had. It was about bringing back to life the former Byz Empire (sort of). Now, i don't exactly see how i am backing that one up! Anyway, there's no such thing in modern day greece.

If you're gonna quote, then at least do quote. I didn't say "did" but "would have done". It's a whole different, as i meant you should counter the (serbian guy i think it was) arguements with your own. "The report to the moderator" thing is kiddish imho. Anyway, why are you frustrated by it? I'm only saying i see you are advancing into a better way of solving debates

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What's with the armenian thing? Didn't quite understand that one.

Oh, and the greeks didn't invade turkey in the 20's, but a portion was given to them by their allies as they were in the winning side of ww1.

**LeftEyeNine** · 05-30-2005, 01:54

They did invade indeed.. And they were fleeing away burning down what's left behind because their "daddies" had lost confidence with them, cutting out the support to Greeks.. Italians were invaders as well but they did leave the country in a peaceful manner.

So you are involved in a forum of which system is structurized by "kiddish" ideas. I just reported. That's an act of reaction. I prefer more democratic ways to dismiss fanatic actions rather than acting like you.

Armenians ? Well, please keep away your fanatic thoughts on that topic.. Nevermind that example.. Count it un-said..

**amazon77** · 05-30-2005, 02:33

They were given a portion, as did italians and if i am correct french and english were also given sectors of control. Indeed a war broke out and the greeks lost that as they had overextended their lines (they reached the Sangarian river when the front collapsed?) in the Eski-Shehir battle or the Afion-Kara-Hissar? Yes their "daddies" did cut out supplies as they didn't want a new greek empire to take over the turkish one. Burning down the land is a strategic theme of an army in retreat as it wants to slow down the enemy. The russians did it to their country during the early phase of WW2 when they were on the retreat, it's called "the tactic of the burnt land". The goal is obvious, troops need food supplies, horses also.

You usually report some1 for spamming or flamming, aka: " u'r just a gay mod'a foker".
If some1 is of different opinion to you, it's a "custom" to reply with an arguement.
Btw, i did see your armenian post, now i understand why you mentioned them. They still exist?
Uhm, why i am being fanatical and a nationalist? What points in my 1st post (or laters) do you feel promote fanatism?
Why do you have to warn the members on these forums? You think they can't judge for themselves and form their own opinion?

I hardly made a list of crimes in turkey. Yes crimes happen in greece all the time. The other day a guy robbed a bank, can you imagine that?

But i guess i'm the fanatic thing+nationalist thing+megali idea thing and lot's of others and most importantly i don't quite think turkey is such an angel-like country (for no country is) and you should report me about that.