Fall of Constantinople

[tibilicus]

Yep my monthly visit to the Monastry is here. I am still young so i dont know as much as you guys but anyway. I read that didnt the Turks in there seige build castles to stop boats geting through like a dam? So that the west could not provide resourses e.c.t? Any way it was brave how they fought to the end 7000 Byzantines vs 80000 Turks. the Byzantine empire truley was one that was great. i think they should teach us more about this great empire by describing it as the continuation of the Roman. I salute those late dead soles who fought to the last to defend there glourious kingdom.

[Kagemusha]

There is a Great novel by Mika Waltari called Mikael Angelikos its fiction but it tells a very beutifull but sad story about those last few weeks and the fall of Konstantinopol.

[The_Doctor]

I can't the stand the Byzantine Empire. There is something about it that makes me hate it.

All I can think off is Greek churches. They look terrible. They look sort of classical, but with a tiny dome. And there is too much gold, like catholic churches, they are bling bling churches.

I am the anti-bling.



I have been Istanbul, which I think it Greek for "In the city" or somthing like that. It is an interesting place.

[ShadesPanther]

I am the anti-bling.

Location: Merseyside

I have been Istanbul, which I think it Greek for "In the city" or somthing like that. It is an interesting place.

Constantinople means Constantines city (It was refered to as "Polis" The city)



Istanbul Is the Turkish name for it, It means the city and was renamed from constantinople in 1923

[The_Doctor]

Constantinople means Constantines city (It was refered to as "Polis" The city)

I know that.

Istanbul Is the Turkish name for it, It means the city and was renamed from constantinople in 1923

The tour guide said it was Greek. So did Terry Jones on a program about the crusades.

[Byzantine Prince]

Istambul = is tin Polin (to the City)

Constantinople was often referred to as the City. That's one explanation anyways.

[The_Doctor]

So it is Greek?

[The Wizard]

Istanbul Is the Turkish name for it, It means the city and was renamed from constantinople in 1923

Istanbul is usually agreed to come from eis ten Polèn which is Greek for 'to the City'. The Byzantines casually called Constantinople hè Polis, the City. The phrase eis ten Polèn was on the roadsigns pointing in the direction of Constantinople. It was apparently dumbed down to Stamboul, from which Istanbul is easily derived.

And there is indeed nothing wrong with Istanbul. Wonderful city! I'm probably going to end up living there.



~Wiz

[LeftEyeNine]

Same here, The Wizard. I wish we could be homemates so that we could give long hours of LAN party with TW series :P

[edyzmedieval]

I don't like one thing at Istanbul: the lack of greatness as it once was when it was Constantinople....

I've seen Istanbul...great city....

And another thing.... Hagia Sophia was turned into a mosque :((((((((((((

[Komutan]

I read that didnt the Turks in there seige build castles to stop boats geting through like a dam? So that the west could not provide resourses e.c.t?

The 2 forts, one built in Asian side and the other in the European side, prevented help arriving through the Black Sea. But the Genoese ships came from west(Mediterrenean).

[amazon77]

It's not "Megalo Idea" but "Megali Idea". It means the Big Idea, which was an idiotic and militaristic idea the greek goverments of the 1920's had. It was about bringing back to life the former Byz Empire (sort of). Now, i don't exactly see how i am backing that one up! Anyway, there's no such thing in modern day greece.

If you're gonna quote, then at least do quote. I didn't say "did" but "would have done". It's a whole different, as i meant you should counter the (serbian guy i think it was) arguements with your own. "The report to the moderator" thing is kiddish imho. Anyway, why are you frustrated by it? I'm only saying i see you are advancing into a better way of solving debates .

What's with the armenian thing? Didn't quite understand that one.
Oh, and the greeks didn't invade turkey in the 20's, but a portion was given to them by their allies as they were in the winning side of ww1.

[LeftEyeNine]

They did invade indeed.. And they were fleeing away burning down what's left behind because their "daddies" had lost confidence with them, cutting out the support to Greeks.. Italians were invaders as well but they did leave the country in a peaceful manner.

So you are involved in a forum of which system is structurized by "kiddish" ideas. I just reported. That's an act of reaction. I prefer more democratic ways to dismiss fanatic actions rather than acting like you.

Armenians ? Well, please keep away your fanatic thoughts on that topic.. Nevermind that example.. Count it un-said..

[amazon77]

They were given a portion, as did italians and if i am correct french and english were also given sectors of control. Indeed a war broke out and the greeks lost that as they had overextended their lines (they reached the Sangarian river when the front collapsed?) in the Eski-Shehir battle or the Afion-Kara-Hissar? Yes their "daddies" did cut out supplies as they didn't want a new greek empire to take over the turkish one. Burning down the land is a strategic theme of an army in retreat as it wants to slow down the enemy. The russians did it to their country during the early phase of WW2 when they were on the retreat, it's called "the tactic of the burnt land". The goal is obvious, troops need food supplies, horses also.

You usually report some1 for spamming or flamming, aka: " u'r just a gay mod'a foker".
If some1 is of different opinion to you, it's a "custom" to reply with an arguement.
Btw, i did see your armenian post, now i understand why you mentioned them. They still exist?
Uhm, why i am being fanatical and a nationalist? What points in my 1st post (or laters) do you feel promote fanatism?
Why do you have to warn the members on these forums? You think they can't judge for themselves and form their own opinion?

I hardly made a list of crimes in turkey. Yes crimes happen in greece all the time. The other day a guy robbed a bank, can you imagine that?

But i guess i'm the fanatic thing+nationalist thing+megali idea thing and lot's of others and most importantly i don't quite think turkey is such an angel-like country (for no country is) and you should report me about that.

[Komutan]

Uhm, why i am being fanatical and a nationalist? What points in my 1st post (or laters) do you feel promote fanatism?
Why do you have to warn the members on these forums? You think they can't judge for themselves and form their own opinion?

I hardly made a list of crimes in turkey. Yes crimes happen in greece all the time. The other day a guy robbed a bank, can you imagine that?

But i guess i'm the fanatic thing+nationalist thing+megali idea thing and lot's of others and most importantly i don't quite think turkey is such an angel-like country (for no country is) and you should report me about that.

First of all, I think you may be confusing posters here. I and Lefteyenine are 2 different persons.

I called you a fanatical nationalist, because honestly I can't see any point other than that for you talking about 2 crimes in Turkey. You showed this reaction, just because someone said "...dont hesitate visiting Istanbul".

[Elias71]

Am I the only one who sees the irony here? LeftEyeNine is accusing others of being nationalists and the like, saying that any Greek who has a different opinion than him is a follower of the "Megali Idea" (which I see as a classic case of the "lets flame everyone who disagrees with me" mentality), meanwhile he is the one who so far has refused to accept the Armenian Genocide (for the love of god, it doesn't even make you a bad person because the world wasn't as civilized at the time, nobody is going to judge you as an individual for it) and seems to want to convince us at every chance he gets that the Ottomans/Turks are the most civilized, loving people on earth...

Btw, LeftEyeNine... you said that you "prefer more democratic ways to dismiss fanatic actions rather than acting like you." If you ask me, you have been acting in the same manner ever since you started your Armenian Genocide post. Nobody reported you though, even though you refused to listen to anything that was a proof against your cause by claiming either incriminating letter was a fake, or that the Turks were somehow being murdered by the hundreds of thousands by an occupied people...





Wooops. I guess I'm about to get reported for speaking my mind too. ;)

[Gregoshi]

Keep looking deep into your past and I'm sure you will find a reason to hate just about every ethnic or racial group. Surely hate isn't the path to a better world in the future. Yet it is apparent that some still cling to it. The sins of the father get inherited by the sons. That archaic notion shouldn't have a place in today's "civilized" world.

Words like "your" and "our" do not belong in discussions like those that should be taking place here in the Monastery. They personalize a discussion that should be about an issue, not an individual or group. As I always say, address the issue, not the person!

I'm closing this topic as it has turned from a remembrance of sorts to a series of accusations and insults both on and off topic. There is a lot here to review. Those exhibiting unacceptable behaviour in this thread should expect to receive appropriate disciplinary sanctions in the very near future.