How to host shogun MP Games.

[Shambles]

The game does use ports when in Lan And thats not what i said,
I said you use a local adress when playing on lan, So router wont affect it,

If the game does not attempt to open a port when you begin hosting games, that implies That its not the routers fault, and your game is not functioning properly,

Id love to tell you whats wrong with your game, But I dont suffer this problem,
So i cant really work on fixing it,

Some where along the line something is either blocking shogun from opening aditional ports. I.e Fire wall.
Windows fire wall Could be causing problems for some,

The most logical explanation Is,
fire wall settings are incorrect,
And not allowing shogun to open that port,
If the router forwards the port to the right Ip adress.
Then fire wall settings should be tested,

Personaly id find some 1 to come help me see if hosted games work without fire wall runing,
then systematicaly disable programs 1 by 1 untill i can host,

There could simply be an error some where in your game,
However i dont think that is the case.

I really think it could be a firewall problem, if the routers are fine, then it can only be a fire wall problem,

[R'as al Ghul]

If the game does not attempt to open a port when you begin hosting games, that implies That its not the routers fault, and your game is not functioning properly,

Ahh, now you're talking business. That's exactly what I've thought.

Id love to tell you whats wrong with your game, But I dont suffer this problem,
So i cant really work on fixing it,

I understand that perfectly. Nevertheless I appreciate that you took
the time to look into it.
I take it we have reestablished peace now?
I apologize for getting .... impatient and slightly mad.

Some where along the line something is either blocking shogun from opening aditional ports. I.e Fire wall.
Windows fire wall Could be causing problems for some,

It's really a dilemma.
I've XP firewall disabled.
Sygate firewall allows Shogun everything but I keep it running to monitor the connections. I had turned it off once to test with drisos.
Directplay test of Directx returned positive.
I've Upnp enabled.
My router forwards the posts - 100% positive here.

As Shambles said, it looks like my Shogun.exe is not working properly
because it doesn't listen to the host port 18321 when on WAN (only when on LAN).
I really would like to see the firewall-logs of others who can't host,
just to know if their games at least open the port.

[Shambles]

Your shogun exe seems to be called shogunM.exe
and mine is called shogunW.exe

is this becous you have shogun MI and not WE?
The problem could be a MI problem i suppose,
I know that the origional shogun cant host games on Fakeserve,
But then again the origional shogun cant See games either.

I dont know what i can do to try and fix this problem, as i dont actualy own mongol invasion.
but i will see what I can find out,

[Drisos]

Hello guys,

turns out my ip is 84.84.240.28

I can't open a port range like shambles can either.

What to do with the 'default server ip'? I don't know what it is and don't understand the online info about it either. should I use my comp ip, my router ip, or a standard ip adress? (in that case, which?)

Here's the screen:



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I entered my comp ip as outside adress and router ip as inside adress. Is that correct? It wouldn't work when I tried the opposite.

Here are my settings:



You see that it's different then the first time I forwarded. The ip adresses see m to be ok as the tcp says 'listen' now and I guess it works then. upd still says 'none' but that might be ok coz upd is used to let others see the game and then my comp does nothing with them so it says 'none'.

Hope it'll work now. Shambles, you want to check for me tomorrow in the afternoon? And R'as, I'd be glad to try for you too.

[Kraellin]

hi guys,

i've never used fakesrvr, but if it's a true server, then ALL the rules of servers apply just like they would on gamespy, or the EA servers or the Activision servers. generally, and this is very general, if you cant host but can connect to others, then you've got a firewall up somewhere that isnt allowing others to originate to you, or, your router is blocking on the necessary ports. that's the simplicity of it. USUALLY, it's a firewall, especially if you can connect to others.

if you cant connect to others or host, then it's a firewall/router OR a version mismatch.

for specific help on opening ports and firewalls, check the gamespy article on their web pages on this AND your firewall and router manuals/documentation.

one simple thing to try is to simply turn the firewall off and try again. this is ok if you have a router up also. it already has a firewall built into it. dont try this method if you dont also have a router.

you can likewise disable the router with the dmz internal toggle as long as your outgoing line is on the dmz line out physical port (usually #4 or #1 on the back of the router). use the internal interface of the router to turn this off and on.

K.

[R'as al Ghul]

Hi Kraellin,

thanks for stopping by.
Well, I've already tested hosting without my firewall but
it didn't work. I've it running now to monitor the connections.
Shogun has all access rights though.

My best guess, after toying with the EAsy program that came with the game,
is that because Shogun is a Win95/Win98 program it doesn't recognize my
USB-connected router. Easy says it can't find any Network-adapters.
Changing this back to my Network-Card might have an effect.
It is quite cumbersome to do but i'll try this as a last resort.

So, I've two more tests to do. Don't hold your breath though....
I'm not optimistic.

R'as

hi guys,

i've never used fakesrvr, but if it's a true server, then ALL the rules of servers apply just like they would on gamespy, or the EA servers or the Activision servers. generally, and this is very general, if you cant host but can connect to others, then you've got a firewall up somewhere that isnt allowing others to originate to you, or, your router is blocking on the necessary ports. that's the simplicity of it. USUALLY, it's a firewall, especially if you can connect to others.

if you cant connect to others or host, then it's a firewall/router OR a version mismatch.

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K.

[Drisos]

I think I now know my router and PC ip for sure.

Some info coming up via PM.

[R'as al Ghul]

Hi drisos,

if you use a website like whatsmyip.com it will return
the IP adress of your router, given to you by your
provider for the time of log-in. If your router is always
connected to the internet, this means you get a new one
every 24 hours. And you don't really need to know that one.

It looks as if your router has the IP 10.0.0.100
To check if this is correct, enter the IP into
the address bar of Firefox and hit return.
If the interface of your router shows up
then that's your router's ip.

The IP of your machine is a different one.
It could be that it's 10.0.0.138 as in your screeny.
Then your settings wouldn't be correct.
With the command winipconfig in dos (you're running Win98 right)
you can see your machine's IP. (We had this somewhere above)

R'as

Hello guys,

turns out my ip is 84.84.240.28

I can't open a port range like shambles can either.

What to do with the 'default server ip'? I don't know what it is and don't understand the online info about it either. should I use my comp ip, my router ip, or a standard ip adress? (in that case, which?)

Ientered my comp ip as outside adress and router ip as inside adress. Is that correct? It wouldn't work when I tried the opposite.

You see that it's different then the first time I forwarded. The ip adresses see m to be ok as the tcp says 'listen' now and I guess it works then. upd still says 'none' but that might be ok coz upd is used to let others see the game and then my comp does nothing with them so it says 'none'.

Hope it'll work now. Shambles, you want to check for me tomorrow in the afternoon? And R'as, I'd be glad to try for you too.

[R'as al Ghul]

Your shogun exe seems to be called shogunM.exe
and mine is called shogunW.exe

is this becous you have shogun MI and not WE?
The problem could be a MI problem i suppose,
I know that the origional shogun cant host games on Fakeserve,
But then again the origional shogun cant See games either.

I dont know what i can do to try and fix this problem, as i dont actualy own mongol invasion.
but i will see what I can find out,

Hi Shambles,

I think I pm'ed this already but for those who follow this discussion:
I've tried three .exe files. Vanilla, Mongol-Invasion & Warrior Edition.
All of them do the same for me, that is they don't listen to 18321
when I host.

[Drisos]

I've tried three .exe files. Vanilla, Mongol-Invasion & Warrior Edition.All of them do the same for me, that is they don't listen to 18321
when I host.

I do follow this discussion.

Can you find out what they do listen to when you host?

'Warrior Edition'? You mean WE? I thought that was 'Warlord Edition'. Is this just a little mistake or do you mean STW original? What is STW vanilla? WE or original?

sorry for inconviniece

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People who I saw being able to host:

...
Shambles
Trish
GodOfWar
47RoninToga
47RoninMethos
AggonyDuck
Shin-GaiJin
PaolinoPaperino
MizuJochiKhan
...

I haven't seen some players in the foyer yet, so there will be more.

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47Ronin Drisos

[R'as al Ghul]

I do follow this discussion.

Can you find out what they do listen to when you host?

They don't listen. That's the problem.
If they would listen my game should be visible.

'Warrior Edition'? You mean WE? I thought that was 'Warlord Edition'. Is this just a little mistake or do you mean STW original? What is STW vanilla? WE or original?

sorry for inconviniece

Vanilla: Shogun.exe, this one came with the original Shogun game. When
you've Mongol Invasion installed and fir up your game by using the original
Shogun.exe it works exactly as when you use the MI file.

WE: Warlord Edition

People who I saw being able to host:
...
Shambles
Trish
GodOfWar
47RoninToga
47RoninMethos
AggonyDuck
Shin-GaiJin
PaolinoPaperino
MizuJochiKhan

47Ronin Drisos

If any of you read this please post your configuration.
Router? USB or Network Card? Firewall?
Tell us everything....

[Drisos]

Personaly id find some 1 to come help me see if hosted games work without fire wall runing,
then systematicaly disable programs 1 by 1 untill i can host

sorry for late reply - I am all yours. Please pm me when you want to do such thing.

Anyone knows something about the 'logging in' problem. I mean the fact that much people need to try 4-7 times before they log in. and some people can't log in at all... I figured that might have something to do with port 8793, as the fakeserver uses it.. but then I don't get why it does work the 7th time...

anyone can explain this? what is wrong and how it should be solved?

[Drisos]

I ran into this accidentally.. it's about hosting with router:

http://p223.ezboard.com/fshoguntotal...icID=282.topic

[R'as al Ghul]

I'll look into it.
Seems like it is about Rome, though.

You can of course always try to forward the ports
mentioned on the first page.

[Drisos]

I'll look into it.
Seems like it is about Rome, though.

You can of course always try to forward the ports
mentioned on the first page.

I checked it only briefly... sorry if it is not of any help. I thought it would be good info about port forwarding... we know which ports... only something else is going on...

[Just A Girl]

iVE JUST HAD A THOUGHT.

You guys are trying to Host Freindly games right?
Cos You cant host competative games on fake server.....

[Drisos]

no competitive games for me... It's really my router blocking the games...