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    Well I downloaded it, and I suck. Quite interesting though. I just finished the training, and I was trying accsess my equipment screen (if there is such a thing...) Somehow, it CTDed on me... But I really like this game!

    And can I use a shield with a bow? Or should I not invest in shield if I'm gonna be a mounted horse archer?
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    You can't use a shield. It's quite a bit of fun being a horse-archer, but those 20 arrows sure get spent fast...

    I'd go for archery and polearms (incl. lances, but some have been reporting problems with them?) or 2-handed and archery for weapons. This way you can have 2 weapons and 2 sets of arrows at the ready.

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    Mounted with one handed sword+shield is my favorite combo right now for a few reasons.
    I can survive the hail axes and javs the sea raiders throw at me and a bit of close combat if my horse becomes bogged down because of the shield.
    Most one handed swords have a fast attack speed so if your first attack is deflected you can usually get in another attack before you pass. If you knock them down sit there and slash away. That's another plus with one handers because in close a polearm can't reach full extension and you will deal almost no damage.
    Like most things involving mounted combat you really need a fast horse. I try to stay as mobile as possible and never charge into groups of more than three.
    If you hold down the attack button you can charge your swing and then release just as you pass. This makes mounted attacks much easier to land. You don't always have that luxury though as you may need your shield up if your coming at an archer.
    Lastly try to attack at full speed because of the speed bonus.

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    I Really like this game. It took a while getting used to the controls, but it's really fun. I'm trying to get money to buy a cloth thingy for that one guy in the town that you start out with so he can join me.
    I'm a hunter that specializes in horse archery. Bet you coulda guessed that. I currently have 3 other soldiers... is that enough to try and start a fight? I'm struggling trying to get money in the arena... I can win, but only sometimes...
    Which side should I join Swabians or the other guys?

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    Steppe - you can take down maybe 5 river pirates by yourself, assuming you have a bow, horse, and hand-to-hand weapon. 5 other guys makes it overkill, as long as you help out in the meelee.

    The two sides seem to be the same. It doesn't matter much.

    I was having fun with my crossbow and company of brave foot soldiers until I leveled up. Wah! Need to get the license now...

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    Pick the Swabians as the pay is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
    Steppe - you can take down maybe 5 river pirates by yourself, assuming you have a bow, horse, and hand-to-hand weapon. 5 other guys makes it overkill, as long as you help out in the meelee.

    The two sides seem to be the same. It doesn't matter much.

    I was having fun with my crossbow and company of brave foot soldiers until I leveled up. Wah! Need to get the license now...
    i'm thinking about getting a license, it's only 12 bucks (US) and apparently you won't have to pay more as the game is further developed. i'm a pussy about spending money, though, so i need to think it over.
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    I always join the vaegirs, mainly cuz they're closer, and I here the quests they give are better.

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    The first Swadian quest I recieved was to buy 6 great helms or something. That's about 70K! Needless to say I haven't been able to finish it yet. I'm only lvl 12 though.

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    Steppe Merc, it is very much worth it for you to invest in a shield. Even a Nomad shield.

    As a horse archer you can consider yourself a Turkoman or Szekely if you pack a shield and saber... And teh right armour of course. I actually had Borcha as one such for a while until I got good money (when you are able to defeat big bandit groups 'alone' you will swim in goods). I even altered his face so that he would look more eastern. It was lovely to see him scoot about as a horse archer looking like a mongol from hell. He was lousy at it though, but hey...

    If you keep running out of ammo keep another or even two bags in the inventory. At any time in battle you can return to the chest and exchange your current supply. I usually carry two large bags of bolts (only 21 bolts compared to 20, unlike arrows that are 24-25 compared to 20). But to use this effectively you need to have a horse so you can return fast.

    I have chosen to follow the Swadians... They just looked cooler to me, you know real feudal warriors, while the Vaegirs look like barbarian raiders.

    Btw, try saving some peasant women from an enemy group. It can be great fun to have them level up, they are supposedly very strong when they have leveled up a few times. I still need to do it myself. Those Sword Sisters are quite luring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraxis
    Btw, try saving some peasant women from an enemy group. It can be great fun to have them level up, they are supposedly very strong when they have leveled up a few times. I still need to do it myself. Those Sword Sisters are quite luring.
    I used to have two sword sisters in my party. They can easily go toe-to-toe with sea raiders, steppe bandits and the like. But if they get swarmed (like mine did) they die.

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    Kraxis, yeah, that was what I was thinking. Bow, then close in with saber and shield. However, lances are quite fun, but saber is easier to manuever with, at least for me.
    My character is going for the Iranian nomad look (couldn't quite figure out how to do a Turkic or Mongloid features...) .Redish blond long hair, with blue eyes, and sort of scary looking.

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    This game made me understand how hard it is to control a horse in combat. The game is great even if it´s not finished. My 11 y/o son shanghaied the pc for 6 hours playing tournament. He's good with sword and shield and a real mongol with the mounted bow. The mother is not so crazy about the game (that's why I haven't bought it...yet) But it's a fine way to find our male bonding. This game is here to stay. Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steppe Merc
    My character is going for the Iranian nomad look (couldn't quite figure out how to do a Turkic or Mongloid features...) .Redish blond long hair, with blue eyes, and sort of scary looking.
    Well you won't get a true mongol, but something that looks fair enough. Besides with all the armour and the helmet...

    I just gave him a short flat face (big cheekbones, non-sunken cheeks, flat semi-wide nose, short nose-mouth and chin and finally fairly wide jaw) low eyebrows, flat eyes that are slightly upturned in centrally placed. The hair and colour was easy, but the beard that a tough one, so I settled for the thinner moustache, but it isn't really good at all.
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    Bah, this game is freaking evil. Before I knew it, I had spent the $11 and and am now level 29! This is horrible! Its so addicting. I just can't help slaughter a group of deserters with my Knights and Hired Blades. My character is not yet strong enough to do more then raid Foragers and the occasional weak caravan. But just a word of advice, if your really into Horse Archery, you can sacrifice your shield slot for another quiver of arrows. I personally have about 25 armor for head, body, and feet. I then have a Nomad Saber, two large bag of arrows, and a longbow along with a heavy courser. I just can't stop shooting up unshielded foes in the head, I just need those arrows!

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    Evil indeed... curse the guy who brought this up, I've downloaded it last night (took a while in my 64K connection...) started venturing around 11 (wife went early to bed, thank god) and before I even knew, it was 4 in the morning! Darn, and I had to wake up early today...

    I never thought that a kind-of-RPG completely lacking any kind of story line, would hook me up so badly... It's an extremely addictive great little gem and I am going to purchase it ASAP! I am lvl 5 now and soon to become lvl 6, and I just have to keep on playing!

    They got to bring this game to a higher level, they just have to. It's gonna be a big major hit for any company that takes the (whatever) risk to invest on it and release it after (letting the guys who do it right now) fleshing it out accordingly.

    Some observations:

    - I tried out an ex merchant as my character. Not great in battle, but starts off with some goodies you can sell for cash and get some retinue pretty early. I have skipped the bloody pirates and started the escorting and quest and of course trading business fairly soon, so now I am lvl 5 and have more than 10K, a decent set of equipment (for the lvl I am in, at least) a nice retinue and that guy from the first tavern fully outfited.

    - Mounted battle is difficult. I've managed to strike a few couched lance hits in arena, but controlling the damn thing (I've now a steppe horse) is a real pain in the butt. Sometimes I just unmount and start chasing the buggers on foot...

    - Archery isn't as difficult as some seem to imply... I've landed quite a number of shots in the arena, although in real combat I still have to find the way to shoot before getting massacred. Although everybody and his baby sister is a better shooter than you, in the games world.

    I'll keep venturing and let you know!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosacrux redux
    Evil indeed... curse the guy who brought this up, I've downloaded it last night (took a while in my 64K connection...) started venturing around 11 (wife went early to bed, thank god) and before I even knew, it was 4 in the morning! Darn, and I had to wake up early today...
    Only 4? Hell, I didn't even go to bed last night. That's what happens when you stumble on a fun new game at 3 in the morning

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosacrux redux
    Mounted battle is difficult. I've managed to strike a few couched lance hits in arena, but controlling the damn thing (I've now a steppe horse) is a real pain in the butt. Sometimes I just unmount and start chasing the buggers on foot...
    Yeah, it's hard. I had all sorts of trouble just controlling the horse in the arena. I'm still only a level 2 character, BTW.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosacrux redux
    Archery isn't as difficult as some seem to imply... I've landed quite a number of shots in the arena, although in real combat I still have to find the way to shoot before getting massacred. Although everybody and his baby sister is a better shooter than you, in the games world.
    Actually I was getting whupped in every river pirate battle until someone on this thread said you don't even need a party to beat those guys. And I realized he was right.

    I have a squire mounted on an old nag who unfortunately has little bow skill and owns only a crossbow, which can't even be reloaded on horseback. However I've figured out how to beat the pirates.

    What I do is gallop to one edge of the battle map and wait till the pirates arrive, then shoot from my stationary horse and race to the other edge of the battle map. This gives me time to get off the horse, load another bolt and get on the horse again. When the pirates approach, shoot the bolt, race to the opposite edge of the map once more, and repeat the whole process as often as necessary.

    A side effect of this tactic is that I've become much better at controlling a horse. I'm hoping to do better in my next foray into the arena, although I agree that those lances are darned hard to aim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosacrux redux
    Archery isn't as difficult as some seem to imply... I've landed quite a number of shots in the arena, although in real combat I still have to find the way to shoot before getting massacred. Although everybody and his baby sister is a better shooter than you, in the games world.
    I find archery by far the most effective combat style. Firstly, it is relatively riskless - you don't take damage and so can fight more rounds/more battles. Second, it's reach means you can take down multiple enemies very quickly - you don't have to run around trying to get into action.

    It's probably good to start off with a decent archery statistic - I chose hunter and so started at 68. I did not put many points into it after that, as it rises naturally with hits. You can buy a long bow fairly quickly.

    It is hard to solo as an archer - at the beginning, I can take down 4-5 river pirates but it's hairy. The trick to avoid being massacred is to make sure they are preoccupied. When battle starts, I tap "2" to get my men to follow me and head for the steepest hill. When you are comfy, tap "1" for them to hold ground. The enemy will tend to focus on your screen of melee guys and being on a hill slows them down if they want to get you, especially the horse. You may want to go slightly to the side of your line to avoid it obstructing your vision.

    I tend to focus on the infantry - enemy cav is too fast unless it's close and usually your guys can handle it. I start shooting from the moment I see them - you may get lucky - but the sweet spot tends to be just before they reach your lines. I tend to go back for a second quiver of arrows, seldom a third (mopping up is time for the sword and shield). If you hold your head you can do awful damage from really close up - there's nothing like the satisfaction of headshotting the rider who just knocked you over - but you do risk killing your own men in the scrummage.

    I rather like the archery duels - like Legolas against the orcs at the Bridge at Kazadum - although I confess I am still playing on the default easy difficulty level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosacrux redux
    Archery isn't as difficult as some seem to imply... I've landed quite a number of shots in the arena, although in real combat I still have to find the way to shoot before getting massacred. Although everybody and his baby sister is a better shooter than you, in the games world.
    It's very dependant on your character's skill level. For example my squire had 28 in bows, and the aiming cursor was massive. I don't really care about that; it's easy enough to compensate and learn to shoot without a cursor. More importantly, the arrows flew pretty randomly, so even if I aimed correctly I seldom hit anything because the arrow went wide. This was a problem even at close range; I aimed ahead and shot my feet. But the starting 60ish points in crossbows meant he had a good chance of hitting with them; the aiming reticule was much smaller, and the bolts went where you expected.



    I started a second character and have been playing quite a different game. I put an early and heavy emphasis on trade until I had a good horse and decent equipment, and only then started to fight. The result is that I'm getting a better idea of mounted combat, since I'm using a good horse and weapons. Now I'm beginning to enjoy descending on hapless bandits at full charge, swinging my sword. I might buy the game ...
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    Addendum to that last post: About twenty minutes after I posted the game crashed with a dialogue about horses and would I like to cancel, retry, or ignore. Heh, nothing and no big problem, I thought, given that the game's a beta and all. I picked ignore, and the message kept on generating. So I tried retry; it rebooted my PC instantly. I have only just got my PC working correctly again. It was messed up so badly windows dropped into a black screen instead of the desktop when starting up; only safe mode worked correctly. Unsurprisingly the game is now off my system and will never get back on it, and I'm very glad I decided to play my second character up to level 6 before buying.

    So a warning to everyone still playing - if you are shown an error message in battle and are given the choice between cancel, ignore and retry for heaven's sake don't pick retry! Much pain follows if you do..

    Shame; it was getting to be very good.
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    Don't give up, its really a very stable game considering its only just half completed and still in Beta.

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    GAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Has that being happening to anyone else???


    Any way, this game is every thing that the LOTR games should have been I just hope i don't have to uninstall it...

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    Never happend to me Mongoose, no CDT is my games.

    To bad you have to pay when you get to level 6 , and why couldn,t they just let you play on when you get to level 6, that would have been great.
    Now it just saves and returns to the desktop.

    I may get the full game though, the concept is great and it's only just in beta fase , so I may get it when I get the money.

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    Only experienced CTDs when ordering the troops to mount up. That order is bugged, and it is recognized. So don't do that.

    Since I'm a crossbower I actually like to shoot at cavalry, it simply looks so great when you hit them and they fall off and are dragged for a distance.
    When cavalry gets close it is important to have the shield ready, just in case... But I prefer to load up the crossbow for one last shot. Seeing the enemy is charging at you with the shield up, there is no point in shooting just yet (and this is where the crossbow shines), just keep the aim up until he drops the shield. He has to do it to strike you with the weapon, then shoot. More often than not I kill the cavalryman, but with better horses you run the risk of getting flattened by the horse (it doesn't stop and you will suffer damage).
    When doing that I feel like a real crossbowman in a battle where the enemy knights are bearing down on his unit... Ahh MTW in FPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraxis
    Only experienced CTDs when ordering the troops to mount up. That order is bugged, and it is recognized. So don't do that.
    really? i'm positive that on at least one occaision, i ordered my men to dismount and then mount up again...
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    Update: I am now lvl 9, and of course I've had the first of a series of fight regarding this game with my dear spouse (she absolutely hates computer games btw and me being as hooked on this as I am, is not helping things).

    I am getting better at mounted battle, but still fair much better on foot. I've upped some difficulty settings, to make the game more challenging and now I get whooped more frequently.

    Did I mention this is a great little game and that I absolutely despise the guy who brought this up in here? I mean, hell on Monday I am starting a new job and I absolutely have to prepare a few things on the weekend... like 6-7 hours work and there is not a chance in hell I am going to do it? Because of this bloody game!!!

    I love it!

    I do know though that the fact that the quests are few and very repetitive and the game world is everything but fleshed out AND there is not even a main plot, means I will get unhooked from it pretty quickly (like... after 50 or 70 hours of playing that is!). I only can imagine how addictive the finished product shall be... frightening, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosacrux redux
    I am getting better at mounted battle, but still fair much better on foot.
    if i have a fast horse and a bardiche in hand.. i can really do serious damage.. more so than on foot (i'm kind of impatient with using my shield lol).
    now i'm here, and history is vindicated.

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    The horses in the arena are horrible... they can't turn at all! And do all horses do so little damage when they knock down an infantry? The creator obviosly doesn't have much experience with horses... heavy critters. If you get charged by one, you're gonna hurt more than just getting knocked down!

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    If you get hit with a better horse, you'll be getting more damage. The charge skill on the arena horses is probably 5-7. On the best warhorses, it can go as high as 30 or so I think.

    Right now my character has a war shield, Saber (or heavy mace, or longsword), javelins, and a great axe. And boy, the great axe is awesome. I ride right towards the enemy and swing at them as they go by and 1/3 of the time kill their horse on the first pass (leaving them very vulnerable to my infantry.) And if they stay on the horse, I go around for another pass (I've got a spirited courser, which is faster than most of the knight's horses) and bam! It's swadian knight down, or dark knight down. If they're fast and avoid me, I take out the old javelins and throw in the back.

    And you never have a true appreciation for how hard it is to throw something like a javelin at a horse until you try it in game (provided you haven't in real life).

    Right now I've got about 20 men and am raiding enemy (swadian) caravans. It nets several k denar a time, and I'm fast enough to avoid the big swadian war parties.

    Boy, I love this game

    Just one query:, anyone know where it stores the screenshots it takes?

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    I'm a low down, rotten, scalawag crossbowman. I sit my party (a whole bunch of mounted mercs and hired blades) down on a hill far away, and snipe at those pirates and bandits. When they get too close...

    Charge!

    I completed my first caravan mission (very easy, no one attacked) and levelled up to 6. Gah.

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