Way to go France!

[Fragony]

Mon amis mon chevalier! Forget everything bad I ever said about you! Now can we please team up and retake belgium? You can have Brussels Best news on a monaymorning since espresso in those handy little cups!

viva la revolution!

[JAG]

A sad day :(

[Papewaio]

How big is the consitution?

Can you easily understand it at the age you can vote?

Does it improve human rights and freedoms in the EU?

Or better still would it turn the EU into a sweatshop so we Aussies can get cheap t-shirts

[Fragony]

How big is the consitution?

Can you easily understand it at the age you can vote?

Does it improve human rights and freedoms in the EU?

Or better still would it turn the EU into a sweatshop so we Aussies can get cheap t-shirts

Bigger then the constitution of the individual countries, brussels could have enforced whatever the hell pleased her. Yeah you could protest (they did not have to listen) if you managed to find 1.000.000 people, they know damn well that decisions affect individual nations and that finding 1.000.000 is near impossible. It was a coup d'etat and the french saw that.

[PanzerJaeger]

Its a sad day when I like French sentiment over German on an issue.

Anyway, congrats guys, you did well today. You'll be seen as a leader when the whole thing starts tumbling.

[JAG]

Anyway, congrats guys, you did well today. You'll be seen as a leader when the whole thing starts tumbling.

Sorry PJ, but that does show how little you know of the situation over here. It is France which has been the 'leader' in the EU process for the WHOLE TIME. Because of this vote they are now weaker than ever.

Why also would you want the situation to start 'tumbling', that makes no sense.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

Its a sad day when I like French sentiment over German on an issue.

Anyway, congrats guys, you did well today. You'll be seen as a leader when the whole thing starts tumbling.

Couldn't have said it better myself. As a reward to france, I will refrain from setting off fireworks near the Franco-German border on the Fourth of July this year (where I will be near the Franco-German boarder) and singing "God Bless America" and "Die Panzerlied."
Viva La France!

[Adrian II]

Bigger then the constitution of the individual countries, Brussels could have enforced whatever the hell pleased her.

What shitty brochure have you been reading this time? Under this Constitution the Heads of State would take all the important policy decision by unanimity, and 'Brussels' would carry them out only is as much as the individual countries couldn't do so their own.

Yeah you could protest (they did not have to listen) if you managed to find 1.000.000 people

Of course not! That's 1 million people on 470 citizens. They can file a petition, but that's all. Do you really think 1 million signatures under a petition should be sufficient mandate to change European laws?

It was a coup d'etat and the french saw that.

A coup d'etat of Tony Blair, Giscard D'Etaing and Jean-Claude Juncker?

Jean-Claude who?

Yeah rrright.

[JAG]

Bloody well said Adrian.

[Fragony]

What shitty brochure have you been reading this time? Under this Constitution the Heads of State would take all the important policy decision by unanimity, and 'Brussels' would carry them out only is as much as the individual countries couldn't do so their own.

'Couldn't do so theirselve', read as shut up and listen. It would be impossible to reject a european law, now we can still do that. Last time the european leaders made an unanimous decision we got the pleuro.

Of course not! That's 1 million people on 470 citizens. They can file a petition, but that's all. Do you really think 1 million signatures under a petition should be sufficient mandate to change European laws?

Then why is it in it?

Jean-Claude who?

Van Dramme?

Ok that was a bit much but you know how I love to overdo it.

[doc_bean]

Bigger then the constitution of the individual countries, brussels could have enforced whatever the hell pleased her. Yeah you could protest (they did not have to listen) if you managed to find 1.000.000 people, they know damn well that decisions affect individual nations and that finding 1.000.000 is near impossible. It was a coup d'etat and the french saw that.

No, veto right still existed in the 'council of ministers' , which means they can do very little without the individual nations ' permissions.

I think the Bolkenstein directive was evil though, a clear case of the commission exceeding its delegated authority. That more than anything killed the constitution.

The 1million people weren't about the right to protest, if 1million signed a petition it would force the commission/parliament to 'look' at it., and try to implent it. You can always protest, write to your member of parliament, your own parliament, the commission, and if it's really serious you could go to the Justice office in luxemburg.

Mon amis mon chevalier! Forget everything bad I ever said about you! Now can we please team up and retake belgium? You can have Brussels.

You can try, it will give us an excuse to finally take the rest of the Schelde. We still produce some of the best weapons in the world.

[Fragony]

You can try, it will give us an excuse to finally take the rest of the Schelde. We still produce some of the best weapons in the world.

Hmmm you got a point. If I join you guys instead, do I get one of these sexy P90's?

[JAG]

It is huge, the actual important bits are not that long, but they decided to add in all the previous treaties in the eu's history.. So it is huge. Over 150 pages.

You cannot understand it easily, it is written in very convoluted english, but you are able to grasp most of it - I have read some but blimey, I am never gonna get round to (or want to) reading all of it.

It does improve human rights, freedoms and social progression. It solidifies the existing legislation for instance and has more provision along the same lines, which now are likely to be severely watered down if it is negotiated again.

And no unfortunately for you it doesn't turn the EU into a sweatshop. :p

[Adrian II]

How big is the consitution?

About 12 cm, but it has shrunk since yesterday

Can you easily understand it at the age you can vote?

Depends on your intelligence and strength of character.

Does it improve human rights and freedoms in the EU?

Not now, it doesn't. But I tend to think it would have done so.

Or better still would it turn the EU into a sweatshop so we Aussies can get cheap t-shirts

We don't trade with Australia pal, it's not worth it. We send our tourists there, a bit like in the old days eh?

[Papewaio]

About 12 cm, but it has shrunk since yesterday.

That would explain the aggresive tone of the rest of your answer.

Depends on your intelligence and strength of character.

Not my strength of character as it is not my consitution. I think an intelligent choice is to never say yes to something you do not understand.
An intelligent group of leaders of character should have been able to make a constitution that was legible, prose worthy and inspiring. To make a documentation that apparently reads like a video manual is not an inspiring feat.

Not now, it doesn't. But I tend to think it would have done so.We don't trade with Australia pal, it's not worth it. We send our tourists there, a bit like in the old days eh?

Using pal in that context is normally seen as quite aggresive.

So do you deny that Australian goods are sold in EU like wine and wool?

[PanzerJaeger]

Sorry PJ, but that does show how little you know of the situation over here. It is France which has been the 'leader' in the EU process for the WHOLE TIME. Because of this vote they are now weaker than ever.

Why also would you want the situation to start 'tumbling', that makes no sense.

Hehe, i dont believe in a united Europe. There are more people than you think who are against this. As this vote shows, dont assume anything.

[The_Emperor]

the french said not to to the consitution and they are the most enthusiastic about Europe...

Oh well another dead treaty.

Europe is a coalition, not a superstate.