Way to go France!

[Adrian II]

Bigger then the constitution of the individual countries, Brussels could have enforced whatever the hell pleased her.

What shitty brochure have you been reading this time? Under this Constitution the Heads of State would take all the important policy decision by unanimity, and 'Brussels' would carry them out only is as much as the individual countries couldn't do so their own.

Yeah you could protest (they did not have to listen) if you managed to find 1.000.000 people

Of course not! That's 1 million people on 470 citizens. They can file a petition, but that's all. Do you really think 1 million signatures under a petition should be sufficient mandate to change European laws?

It was a coup d'etat and the french saw that.

A coup d'etat of Tony Blair, Giscard D'Etaing and Jean-Claude Juncker?

Jean-Claude who?

Yeah rrright.

[JAG]

Bloody well said Adrian.

[Fragony]

What shitty brochure have you been reading this time? Under this Constitution the Heads of State would take all the important policy decision by unanimity, and 'Brussels' would carry them out only is as much as the individual countries couldn't do so their own.

'Couldn't do so theirselve', read as shut up and listen. It would be impossible to reject a european law, now we can still do that. Last time the european leaders made an unanimous decision we got the pleuro.

Of course not! That's 1 million people on 470 citizens. They can file a petition, but that's all. Do you really think 1 million signatures under a petition should be sufficient mandate to change European laws?

Then why is it in it?

Jean-Claude who?

Van Dramme?

Ok that was a bit much but you know how I love to overdo it.

[JAG]

The Euro is a policy which in the long term is very advantageous for everyone, when it works we will all feel the benefits in terms of trade - well providing my country jons of course. :|

[Papewaio]

The Euro is a policy which in the long term is very advantageous for everyone, when it works we will all feel the benefits in terms of trade - well providing my country jons of course. :|

So is the advantage from quantity or quality?

[PanzerJaeger]

Most Americans are against it, since they believe one super power is enough......

Hehe it has nothing to do with that. Germany can be strong on her own, as well as France, ect.

[bmolsson]

Hehe it has nothing to do with that. Germany can be strong on her own, as well as France, ect.

That is the common imperialistic answer. If so, why didn't US let the confederate states become strong on their own ??

[PanzerJaeger]

Imperialistic? lol. Maybe nationalistic.

I dont know why the US didnt let the CS go. To me it was their right to leave if they wanted to and I think they should have been let go.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

The US didn't let the CSA go because Lincoln was a psychotic dictator who thought sacrificing 200,000 American lives to keep the nation firm under his grip was well worth it.

[bmolsson]

The US didn't let the CSA go because Lincoln was a psychotic dictator who thought sacrificing 200,000 American lives to keep the nation firm under his grip was well worth it.

I disagree. I think that he made the right decision. He could forsee the importance to stop insurgents from proving their point through treachery and terrorism.
EU should do the same thing with France......

[JAG]

So is the advantage from quantity or quality?

With the Euro in theory there should be more trade and and better trade between countries.

PJ - you show your lack of knowledge of the situation over here yet again.

And a 'tumbling' EU would be just as bad for the US.

[Papewaio]

Surely a common currency does not require a common consitution?

[JAG]

Surely a common currency does not require a common consitution?

Completely right and this constitution is nothing to do with the Euro, it was brought up by someone in this thread as a separate issue - but however the Euro is being used by the NO campaign to dilute the issue of the constitution and get more people voting their way.

The constitution is needed so the 25 countries can actually work together.

[Franconicus]

Common, isn't that a bit hysterical?

The French voted against this new constitution. But that is the risk of a democracy. And they did not vote against Europe. I think they just want to clearify some open issues first.

And France will lead the European unification together with Germany and the Low Countries, as it alwasy did.

God save Old Europe