Mon amis mon chevalier! Forget everything bad I ever said about you! Now can we please team up and retake belgium? You can have BrusselsBest news on a monaymorning since espresso in those handy little cups!
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Way to go France!
Mon amis mon chevalier! Forget everything bad I ever said about you! Now can we please team up and retake belgium? You can have Brussels
viva la revolution!
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A sad day :(
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
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How big is the consitution?
Can you easily understand it at the age you can vote?
Does it improve human rights and freedoms in the EU?
Or better still would it turn the EU into a sweatshop so we Aussies can get cheap t-shirts
Our genes maybe in the basement but it does not stop us chosing our point of view from the top.
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Pape for global overlord!!
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It is huge, the actual important bits are not that long, but they decided to add in all the previous treaties in the eu's history.. So it is huge. Over 150 pages.
You cannot understand it easily, it is written in very convoluted english, but you are able to grasp most of it - I have read some but blimey, I am never gonna get round to (or want to) reading all of it.
It does improve human rights, freedoms and social progression. It solidifies the existing legislation for instance and has more provision along the same lines, which now are likely to be severely watered down if it is negotiated again.
And no unfortunately for you it doesn't turn the EU into a sweatshop. :p
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
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Bigger then the constitution of the individual countries, brussels could have enforced whatever the hell pleased her. Yeah you could protest (they did not have to listen) if you managed to find 1.000.000 people, they know damn well that decisions affect individual nations and that finding 1.000.000 is near impossible. It was a coup d'etat and the french saw that.How big is the consitution?
Can you easily understand it at the age you can vote?
Does it improve human rights and freedoms in the EU?
Or better still would it turn the EU into a sweatshop so we Aussies can get cheap t-shirts
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Its a sad day when I like French sentiment over German on an issue.
Anyway, congrats guys, you did well today. You'll be seen as a leader when the whole thing starts tumbling.
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About 12 cm, but it has shrunk since yesterdayDepends on your intelligence and strength of character.Can you easily understand it at the age you can vote?Not now, it doesn't. But I tend to think it would have done so.Does it improve human rights and freedoms in the EU?We don't trade with Australia pal, it's not worth it. We send our tourists there, a bit like in the old days eh?Or better still would it turn the EU into a sweatshop so we Aussies can get cheap t-shirts
The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
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Sorry PJ, but that does show how little you know of the situation over here. It is France which has been the 'leader' in the EU process for the WHOLE TIME. Because of this vote they are now weaker than ever.Anyway, congrats guys, you did well today. You'll be seen as a leader when the whole thing starts tumbling.
Why also would you want the situation to start 'tumbling', that makes no sense.
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
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What shitty brochure have you been reading this time? Under this Constitution the Heads of State would take all the important policy decision by unanimity, and 'Brussels' would carry them out only is as much as the individual countries couldn't do so their own.Of course not! That's 1 million people on 470 citizens. They can file a petition, but that's all. Do you really think 1 million signatures under a petition should be sufficient mandate to change European laws?Yeah you could protest (they did not have to listen) if you managed to find 1.000.000 peopleA coup d'etat of Tony Blair, Giscard D'Etaing and Jean-Claude Juncker?It was a coup d'etat and the french saw that.
Jean-Claude who?
Yeah rrright.
The bloody trouble is we are only alive when we’re half dead trying to get a paragraph right. - Paul Scott
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Bloody well said Adrian.
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
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No, veto right still existed in the 'council of ministers' , which means they can do very little without the individual nations ' permissions.
I think the Bolkenstein directive was evil though, a clear case of the commission exceeding its delegated authority. That more than anything killed the constitution.
The 1million people weren't about the right to protest, if 1million signed a petition it would force the commission/parliament to 'look' at it., and try to implent it. You can always protest, write to your member of parliament, your own parliament, the commission, and if it's really serious you could go to the Justice office in luxemburg.
You can try, it will give us an excuse to finally take the rest of the Schelde. We still produce some of the best weapons in the world.Mon amis mon chevalier! Forget everything bad I ever said about you! Now can we please team up and retake belgium? You can have Brussels.
Yes, Iraq is peaceful. Go to sleep now. - Adrian II
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What shitty brochure have you been reading this time? Under this Constitution the Heads of State would take all the important policy decision by unanimity, and 'Brussels' would carry them out only is as much as the individual countries couldn't do so their own.
'Couldn't do so theirselve', read as shut up and listen. It would be impossible to reject a european law, now we can still do that. Last time the european leaders made an unanimous decision we got the pleuro.
Of course not! That's 1 million people on 470 citizens. They can file a petition, but that's all. Do you really think 1 million signatures under a petition should be sufficient mandate to change European laws?
Then why is it in it?
Jean-Claude who?
Van Dramme?
Ok that was a bit much but you know how I love to overdo it.
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Hmmm you got a point. If I join you guys instead, do I get one of these sexy P90's?
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The Euro is a policy which in the long term is very advantageous for everyone, when it works we will all feel the benefits in terms of trade - well providing my country jons of course. :|
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
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Common, isn't that a bit hysterical?
The French voted against this new constitution. But that is the risk of a democracy. And they did not vote against Europe. I think they just want to clearify some open issues first.
And France will lead the European unification together with Germany and the Low Countries, as it alwasy did.
God save Old Europe
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Sure, but our army doesn't usually kill people though, it's a shame.
Unless you can join a UN mission of course
Yes, Iraq is peaceful. Go to sleep now. - Adrian II
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Yeah, a sad day for europe. But it was very naiv to think that the constitution could be passed by 25 states without problems. I hope there is a plan B.
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Oo. Looks like the constitution got
PWNED!
*ahem*
Don't you guys just love France?
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At least the British and the French can agree on something. They have agreed that they won't agree, but that they cannot agree to disagree here.
Cowardice is to run from the fear;
Bravery is not to never feel the fear.
Bravery is to be terrified as hell;
But to hold the line anyway.
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It appears that two wrongs do make a right, but for the wrong reasons...
It was not theirs to reason why,
It was not theirs to make reply,
It was theirs but to do or die.
-The Charge of the Light Brigade - Alfred, Lord Tennyson
"Wherever this stone shall lie, the King of the Scots shall rule"
-Prophecy of the Stone of Destiny
"For God, For King and country, For loved ones home and Empire, For the sacred cause of justice, and The freedom of the world, They buried him among the kings because he, Had done good toward God and toward his house."
-Inscription on the Tomb of the Unknown Warrior
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More importantly, you can vote.The 1million people weren't about the right to protest, if 1million signed a petition it would force the commission/parliament to 'look' at it., and try to implent it. You can always protest, write to your member of parliament, your own parliament, the commission, and if it's really serious you could go to the Justice office in luxemburg.
Hmm, I'm wondering whether those who voted no understand their current constitution.Can you easily understand it at the age you can vote?
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the french said not to to the consitution and they are the most enthusiastic about Europe...
Oh well another dead treaty.
Europe is a coalition, not a superstate.
"Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it."
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Landverrader!
But, seriously, methinks the Frenchies were a bit confused.
"Mais... non! C'était un referendum? Je croyais que c'était été des élections nationals!"
~Wiz
Last edited by The Wizard; 05-30-2005 at 19:49.
"It ain't where you're from / it's where you're at."
Eric B. & Rakim, I Know You Got Soul
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That would explain the aggresive tone of the rest of your answer.
Not my strength of character as it is not my consitution. I think an intelligent choice is to never say yes to something you do not understand.
An intelligent group of leaders of character should have been able to make a constitution that was legible, prose worthy and inspiring. To make a documentation that apparently reads like a video manual is not an inspiring feat.
Using pal in that context is normally seen as quite aggresive.Not now, it doesn't. But I tend to think it would have done so.We don't trade with Australia pal, it's not worth it. We send our tourists there, a bit like in the old days eh?
So do you deny that Australian goods are sold in EU like wine and wool?
Our genes maybe in the basement but it does not stop us chosing our point of view from the top.
Pape for global overlord!!
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Hehe, i dont believe in a united Europe. There are more people than you think who are against this. As this vote shows, dont assume anything.Sorry PJ, but that does show how little you know of the situation over here. It is France which has been the 'leader' in the EU process for the WHOLE TIME. Because of this vote they are now weaker than ever.
Why also would you want the situation to start 'tumbling', that makes no sense.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. As a reward to france, I will refrain from setting off fireworks near the Franco-German border on the Fourth of July this year (where I will be near the Franco-German boarder) and singing "God Bless America" and "Die Panzerlied."Its a sad day when I like French sentiment over German on an issue.
Anyway, congrats guys, you did well today. You'll be seen as a leader when the whole thing starts tumbling.
Viva La France!
Why do you hate Freedom?
The US is marching backward to the values of Michael Stivic.
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Most Americans are against it, since they believe one super power is enough......Hehe, i dont believe in a united Europe. There are more people than you think who are against this. As this vote shows, dont assume anything.
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It's not really a constitution, just a summary of all the treaties made before. Rejecting it is like asking for exiting the union.
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So is the advantage from quantity or quality?
Our genes maybe in the basement but it does not stop us chosing our point of view from the top.
Pape for global overlord!!
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Hehe it has nothing to do with that. Germany can be strong on her own, as well as France, ect.Most Americans are against it, since they believe one super power is enough......
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