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    Fundamentalism in all its forms, with totalitarianism a close second, and probably poverty as a third.

    I don't think overpopulation is such a big problem, we can produce quite a lot if we have to.

    And I agree with JAG and Fragony we need to stop dumping our stuff, we should just destroy it like we used to.
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    Quite a few problems i say: main ones being, poverty and fudementalism. Terorism is a problem, but some countrys are blowing it way out of proportion. To be honest i really dont think the whole we could get bombed at any minute is realistic. In the most resent Presiental election Bush wiped people in to a frenzy by giving his good old war on Terorr stuff. And the sad thing most people fell for it, There was an iteresting program on resently called something like nightmares. It disucesed the stuff we fear and why. A guy being interveiwd on said, that a terorist organizeation with any real potential to damage the world did not exsist. Yes 9/11 hapend. That was tradgic, but it was also a mistake. The terorist should of never been aloud on that plain. Terorists are real, very real. But there not a big a problem as people make out. Why is poverty worse, Because more people die from it than anything. Starvation, Desise, most of its roled into poverty. On a note of China. They to are a problem. But why will people not sort them out? We relly on china. Where is everything coming from? China. To be honest i can never really see China estsablashing a Democrcy. There have been changes but there needs to be more. If Russia however maniged to establish one thanks to political presher. Maby the same could hapen to China. As for Fudementilism, It needs to be stoped now right now. Religion is ment to be peaceful and bring hapiness to its folowers. Religious leaders encouriging violence is not what religion is about. Those people shouldnt consider themselves to be religious leaders. If dsnt stop it can only get worse. On a final note, please mister Bush. Dont go rasing into the Gulf for another war try and help the people that need it, The African people. Same for us England. You promise aid, but its all promises. Promises mean nothing if action is not taken. Well i hope my point were of actually some use. Wow my first real post in the Backroom, It is adicting !
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    order through chaos

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    I'm going to take issue with putting China up as the 'Biggest Problem Facing the World'. That's kind of xenophobic in my eyes. I defend the US against bashing all the time, try to stick up for France (who also seems to take a few unfair shots) and likewise, I don't think it's appropriate to list 'China' in this list.

    Amazing. I actually agree with Jag, that global poverty is the biggest problem facing us right now. I guess the piss and vinegar come from us figuring how to fix it. I picked poverty, because it's an endemic problem that breeds many of the others. Wealthy nations don't have famines, they can afford to keep the enivornment cleaner, etc. But before everyone thinks I've caught the Socialist bug here, remember, that wealth must be created before it can be distributed. And there in lies the rub.
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    These US and their if you can't beat 'em, nuke 'em foreign policy.
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    Either poverty or Religious Fundamentalism

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    USA likes the following:

    War - to get their own way.
    Terrorism - US paid for and established the Taliban in Afghanistan.
    Nationalism - fierce flag waving and devotion to 'the American Dream'
    Imperialism - setting up client states around the world with ruthless dictators allowed to remain in power in exchange for oil and other natural resources.
    Capitalism - 5% of the population own 95% of the wealth in America.
    Globalization - American corporations exploit foreign workers to provide cheap goods to American citizens.
    Totalitarianism - if we suspect you of plotting terrorist activities, then we will detain you. If someone accuses you of such things, we will mercilessly investigate your private life.
    Religious Fundamentalism - in the US Presidential Election, numerous states had as Republican slogans the phrase "God wants you to vote Bush" and similar. Also opposes many issues including abortion on purely religious grounds.
    Global Warming - 4% of the world's population is causing 25% of global warming. Refuses to submit to Kyoto.
    Pollution - same again. Is causing irreversible damage to the world's sea water and air.
    Hunger - many in middle America are poor due to insufficient social welfare systems and are forced to eat low quality foods. Also responsible for using food sanctions against third world nations that don't affect the leaders, only the innocent populations.
    Poverty - many in middle America are poor due to insufficient social welfare systems. Maintains numerous oppressive regimes throughout the world that allow the leaders to live in American oil money funded luxury while the population live in abject poverty.
    Diseases - biochem companies make such outrageous proffit margins that basic pharmacy products and equipment are unaffordable for poorer nations.
    Extinction of Species - many species run to extinction by extensive deforestation, water pollution and game hunting.
    Overpopulation - global warming is increasing the number of inhospitable areas of the Earth forcing mass build-ups of population in already over-crowded areas. America is sparsely populated, yet a strict immigration regime will not allow many genuine immigrants entry.
    Shortage of Resources - overuse of fossil fuels by America will leave the world without sustainable oil supplies in 30 years. Refusal to seriously look into alternative fuel systems will leave the world without reliable energy supplies.
    Violation of Human Rights - the Patriot Act and the abuses of Guantanamo Bay are blatant violations of the Human Right's Act.
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    Oh but America isn't too of them:
    Communism - having built a society born to hate Communism and all its ideals through the 70s and 80s.
    China - by virtue of being America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Khalifah
    These guys:


    and their if you can't beat 'em, nuke 'em foreign policy.
    Aaah very helpful. That's right, Americans are the root cause of all evil in the world. We dream of ways to make your lives more miserable. As long as you delude yourself into believing that, and blame us for all your problems, your problems will remain because they will remain unsolved.

    And for the intelligent folks int the crowd.... like I've said, I've been out of touch for a while, wandering around China. Did anybody else happen to notice that Bush said in a speech that Israel must tear down all settlements? The Chinese press picked up on it as proof of a forming division between Washington and Tel Aviv. They actually hailed it as real progress on Bush's part. But I'm sure there's going to be plenty of you out there *cough* Al Khalifah *cough* that are going to say this is just another fiendish plot by the evil Americans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Corleone
    I'm going to take issue with putting China up as the 'Biggest Problem Facing the World'. That's kind of xenophobic in my eyes. I defend the US against bashing all the time, try to stick up for France (who also seems to take a few unfair shots) and likewise, I don't think it's appropriate to list 'China' in this list.

    Amazing. I actually agree with Jag, that global poverty is the biggest problem facing us right now. I guess the piss and vinegar come from us figuring how to fix it. I picked poverty, because it's an endemic problem that breeds many of the others. Wealthy nations don't have famines, they can afford to keep the enivornment cleaner, etc. But before everyone thinks I've caught the Socialist bug here, remember, that wealth must be created before it can be distributed. And there in lies the rub.
    Don,
    I put as many possible answers to the poll as possible. That does not mean that I think that all of them are problems. I took China because it has the biggest population, a rapidly growing economy. This may be a problem to the world economy.

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    I voted for nationalism. It would be much easier to solve the true global problems if the mankind would not be divided in ~200 states.

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    Too many people.

    Every person should have at least five acres of land. That would be an adequate amount of space for living properly.
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    [QUOTE=doc_bean]
    I don't think overpopulation is such a big problem, we can produce quite a lot if we have to. QUOTE]
    I think it is. Even if we produce more and share it in a fair way (?) there will be problems like polution, decreasing resources ... . And if everybody has enough to eat, there will propably more increase in population.

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    A vote for other then.
    I don't believe that America is the root cause of evil in the world, but I do think that many of its actions are setting about chains of events that could lead to bad things happening. I was merely trying to point out that for many of the poll choices, the US can be blamed.
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    I also picked "other". The other 19 problems definitely merit attention, but my choice for overall problem that could be solved this generation:

    Illiteracy.

    If we could get all humans, male and female, young and old, able to read at least at an elementary level, and provide universal access to material - hardcopy or electronic, we would be well on the way to solving many of the other 19 problems. Readers are more likely to be better informed about their own and other's situations and pasts; and more likely to actively participate in solutions to problems, in my opinion.
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    I voted other...
    That other would be LIBERALS!!!
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    Good post Al Khalifah. You could have added a hole lot more, hell one can write a whole book about the abuses of the US.

    Well it's poverty IMO. Poverty will drag the world straight into hell if we don't make economic plans to reverse it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Khalifah
    A vote for other then.
    I don't believe that America is the root cause of evil in the world, but I do think that many of its actions are setting about chains of events that could lead to bad things happening. I was merely trying to point out that for many of the poll choices, the US can be blamed.
    It's a point of view not a goad.
    And one can do that for almost every nation on the planet. That you chose to single out the United States shows how much influence the country has on the world - and something else also.

    Should I do the same for China, Russia, England, France, Iran, and a few others to prove a point.

    KukriKhan hit the main problem that faces the world today. Illiteracy.

    Think about it for just a minute or two - how many of the mentioned areas can be reduced in impact by improving the overal literacy rate of the world.
    O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redleg
    And one can do that for almost every nation on the planet. That you chose to single out the United States shows how much influence the country has on the world - and something else also.

    Should I do the same for China, Russia, England, France, Iran, and a few others to prove a point.
    Do Liechtenstein. I'de like to hear this. You said you could do every nation, right? Do Greece, probably the most influential nation on earth.

    KukriKhan hit the main problem that faces the world today. Illiteracy.
    Lot's of countries have full literacy and are not going anywhere economically. South America has pretty adequate literacy rates and yet their countries are mostly dirt poor.

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    I should have provided something to look at, besides my own opinion:

    2001 worldwide literacy rates (global color-graph), showing BP isn't entirely wrong about S.Am:
    http://www.uis.unesco.org/ev.php?ID=...1&ID2=DO_TOPIC

    Long discussion of functional literacy, and some conclusions to be drawn for the near future:
    http://warriorlibrarian.com/CURRICUL..._literacy.html

    Extract:

    "...One issue can not be ignored: Is there a relationship between illiteracy and income? Some of the figures at the extremes in the rates of literacy compared to the range of GNP per capita could suggest that there is a correlation.

    Literacy rate Per capita income
    below 40% less than $600
    above 98% more than $12,000

    In the comparison of these figures, as the literacy rate doubles, so doubles the per capita income. The message here, at least in individual economic terms, is that literacy has payoffs and is a worthwhile investment—so it seems..."
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    Kukhri, I think you are misinterpreting data. Low education levels are a result of poor economies, not the the other way around.

    Literacy rates mean little in developed countries as well, considering tow things. 80% of the population on average(in the developed world) are manual workers, and the fact is that most of them don't need to read anything. So compare that with obsenely undedeveloped countries in Africa where literacy is completely useless for 90% of the population that would never get manual work that is in the sevices industry(which traditionally requires reading and wrinting skills).

    Unless you haev anything better to add, I'll stick to my guns.

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    I voted other. The other is.................*drumroll*..................you didn't include a GAH! option!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byzantine Prince
    Do Liechtenstein. I'de like to hear this. You said you could do every nation, right? Do Greece, probably the most influential nation on earth.
    I stated almost every - not all countries, there are a few exceptions to the rule as there is always. Liechtenstein might be just one - however thanks for proving a point.

    That some are only viewing the United States as the problem without looking in depth into the jest of the poll or the areas that the author mentioned.

    Now Greece wouldn't be all that hard considering some of the views expressed by several posters in this forum who claim to be greek or from Greece. Nationalism, Proverty, Fundmentalism and several other issues would be very easy for Greece. But you have already proven that point with your statement.
    O well, seems like 'some' people decide to ruin a perfectly valid threat. Nice going guys... doc bean

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    Biggest Problem: Fundamentalist 'Absolute' Knowledge/Education

    Biggest Solution: Education.

    With that you fight overpopulation as the more educated a person is particularly the women the less children they have.

    Also with more educated individuals you get a larger set of people able to solve problems while diminishing the number who cannot solve issues for themselves.

    Poverty is linked directly to education levels of a country the only exceptions are those with massive mineral wealth. Even then the education is rarely evenly dispersed throughout society.

    Democracies work better with better informed citizens. Education is a key part in learning how to interpret information.

    Fundamentalists, whatever their powerbase be: KKK, Catholic, Nazis, Apartheid South Africans, Neo-Nazis, Christian, Hindu, Islamic, Jewish etc all thrive on having absolute knowledge and answers. They do not thrive particularly well in an educated democracy with good social services. Education gives a broader view and too much grey scale for most fundies.

    Countries that invest in education have over time seen their economies perform better. Ireland with its emphasis on education and IT have shown how a knowledge economy can help resolve problems in one of the poorest western european nations. Singapore operates on a similar methodology. New Zealand has a very strong education system and does well economically considering its more of a primary producer and tourist destination then a manufacturing base.
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    Pape, not everyone needs to be an engineer, and scientist. We need 80% of people to be plain workers until machines can totally tak that over as well, in which case we'll need 80% of the population with really low college education.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio
    Biggest Problem: Fundamentalist 'Absolute' Knowledge/Education

    Biggest Solution: Education.

    With that you fight overpopulation as the more educated a person is particularly the women the less children they have.

    Also with more educated individuals you get a larger set of people able to solve problems while diminishing the number who cannot solve issues for themselves.

    Poverty is linked directly to education levels of a country the only exceptions are those with massive mineral wealth. Even then the education is rarely evenly dispersed throughout society.

    Democracies work better with better informed citizens. Education is a key part in learning how to interpret information.

    Fundamentalists, whatever their powerbase be: KKK, Catholic, Nazis, Apartheid South Africans, Neo-Nazis, Christian, Hindu, Islamic, Jewish etc all thrive on having absolute knowledge and answers. They do not thrive particularly well in an educated democracy with good social services. Education gives a broader view and too much grey scale for most fundies.

    Countries that invest in education have over time seen their economies perform better. Ireland with its emphasis on education and IT have shown how a knowledge economy can help resolve problems in one of the poorest western european nations. Singapore operates on a similar methodology. New Zealand has a very strong education system and does well economically considering its more of a primary producer and tourist destination then a manufacturing base.
    Papewaio,
    I do not think that it is as simple as that. People who can write and esp. so called intellectual people also tend to fundamentalism. Look at the Nazis in Germanyin the 30ies. Germany was a democracy and most people could read.

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    Biggest problem ..... Humans .

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    Religious fundamentalism.

    or maybe that asteroid

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    War. It depletes resources/money and does not provide any benefits to the average person involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Laridus Konivaich
    War. It depletes resources/money and does not provide any benefits to the average person involved.
    Except for great games.

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    Al Khalifah, please confirm that you are in fact a muslim.

    I want to make sure before I list what muslims like in government and social issues.

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