'Featureless' Expansion

**sik1977** · 05-30-2005, 16:19

The expansion is so featureless, I don't know how to get myself excited over it. They have not mentioned a 'single' feature worth the excitement of a new product.

For some 'night battles' may be the key, for me its just gloss. It would be a nice addition but I can live without the night battles. There is no word on something truly special, like in VI they redid the whole reinforcement system (though it only worked after the patch).

There are no campaign replays, no added diplomacy options, wishy-washy response by Shogun to AI improvements, no announcement as to the Save/Load Issue yet, no additional modability options, nothing nada.... BTW, after reading Shoguns latest FAQ, the settlement moving by Barbarians is also not a true feature. Settlements are fixed, the Barbarian factions can simply survive even if they didn't have a settlement left, just like the human player now in RTW.

So tell me, why should I be excited or look forward to another mod for which I have to dish out additional money?!!

Mods have done nearly as much, which is a lot more considering they do not have the source code. I know CA can do better, its just that their imagination or will to improve this game in a real way is somewhat lacking.

PLEASE CA, take more time with the expansion, but give a true expansion with REAL features, not recycled stuff (night battles, Mongol invasion inspired Barbarion Invasion).

**blaker024** · 05-30-2005, 18:30

theres night battles in rtw 1.2. custom battle advanced options

**Bigfootedfred** · 06-04-2005, 01:40

Originally Posted by blaker024

theres night battles in rtw 1.2. custom battle advanced options

An interesting point.
but this is not quite the same.

in BI, Formations will be holding lighted torches, and it will actually be dark, if the screens i have seen are anything to go by.

this is different to the current night battles where it is actually more, evening than night.

on the topic of the original post.

i do not think the expansion is "featureless" in fact with the inclusion of varying victory scenarios. The empire split in two, and plenty of variety within the barbarian factions.

i would say its far from featureless.

you take over the Romana british, and try to fight of the saxons.
you can try to save the western empire.
you take the eastern empire and reconquer all that was lost.

you could take the huns, and rampage across europe.

which brings me to antihero point, i really hope they include small historical campaigns, like that of MTW, where you fight a series of historical battles.

with the additions of variable victory conditions, i see a VERY bright modding future for RTW.

**The Stranger** · 05-30-2005, 19:03

Originally Posted by sik1977

The expansion is so featureless, I don't know how to get myself excited over it. They have not mentioned a 'single' feature worth the excitement of a new product.

For some 'night battles' may be the key, for me its just gloss. It would be a nice addition but I can live without the night battles. There is no word on something truly special, like in VI they redid the whole reinforcement system (though it only worked after the patch).

There are no campaign replays, no added diplomacy options, wishy-washy response by Shogun to AI improvements, no announcement as to the Save/Load Issue yet, no additional modability options, nothing nada.... BTW, after reading Shoguns latest FAQ, the settlement moving by Barbarians is also not a true feature. Settlements are fixed, the Barbarian factions can simply survive even if they didn't have a settlement left, just like the human player now in RTW.

So tell me, why should I be excited or look forward to another mod for which I have to dish out additional money?!!

Mods have done nearly as much, which is a lot more considering they do not have the source code. I know CA can do better, its just that their imagination or will to improve this game in a real way is somewhat lacking.

PLEASE CA, take more time with the expansion, but give a true expansion with REAL features, not recycled stuff (night battles, Mongol invasion inspired Barbarion Invasion).

no they can;t. without a settlement/ capitol you're lost.

**Burnzy** · 05-30-2005, 20:26

It seems CA got a taste of the big bucks with RTW, and it was all thanks to the eye candy. Anyone that saw a screenshot of it, no matter what their game preference, is likely to contemplate purchasing it. Night battles, swimming, a few new skins; it's enough to get them at least a quarter of what RTW brought in. Face it, they're now solely cash orientated, and so it seems the upcoming regurgitation is going be just that: cash orientated. Hope for its sales resting hugely on RTW's success. Minimum effort, maximum profit.

**The_678** · 05-30-2005, 22:10

Even though it seems featureless, it is bound to be really good. Since there is no senate in the XP's era (dev confirmed) it will open many good things for mods. Also the new campaign itself sounds really fun. With the new victory conditions, it's something that cannot be done yet without modding and will be a very fun change of things.

**Trajen the 1st** · 05-30-2005, 22:38

Well i have to agree this is getting me mad the more i learn about the ex,pak it just seems like there throwing in abunch of new useless features like swimming horses and night battles(which a mod has already done FYI)I'll probubly still buy it if the mods start moving over to it plus the factions look interesting.

**vale** · 05-30-2005, 22:46

I agree with you man, the expansion are so featureless like you said. I guess since they have a taste of what rtw brought now they are hungry for more, they could just make that as a patch and published it since there are only a few change that compare to our mod that submitted by rtr and other they are close to it. There is no point really to get the expansion if they just did a little modification over the skin and some new unit which can be done easily with a skilled modder. So unless they published another game that are better than rtw which i think is unlikely to be I see there is no need to get the new xpan.

**Soviet_AK-47** · 05-31-2005, 01:12

My hopes are that the at least can get in a feature, like I've heard of in MTW, that causes civil wars, and also balances civilizations (we need that).

**Revelation** · 05-31-2005, 01:16

I have learned from CA's previous efforts. This time round i'll definately be waiting a good few months to guage the the general consensus on the expac before even considering purchasing it. Let's face it, Shogun was , as ever playing his usual games. Answering in detail questions about the minor asthetics (eye candy) and non improving features, then hedging and baulking when it came to the tweaks that would really make the exppac an exppac and not just a $$$ making exercise for CA.

Why spend your hard earned $$$ on this thing when you can play the mods for free!
Perhaps i'm jumping the gun a little, maybe they will surprise us. Maybe......