'Featureless' Expansion

[Nelson]

I have played both TW expansions. A lot.

I enjoyed the new features in each of them although IMO none of them represented an especially dramatic departure from the game play of its predecessor. The Mongols don’t build troops and that was the big difference from other factions. A new map and new factions in VI were excellent but the other changes were minor. The reinforcement tweak was nice but was hardly a sea change in game mechanics.

Night battles and river crossings sound like significant tactical additions to me but deciding what are major and minor features is a very subjective undertaking. One man’s delicacy is another’s gruel. The migrating barbarians in BI could be very interesting and different. I’m not sure we know what all the next expansion will include.

[Orda Khan]

Very true Nelson, I think it is a sad reflection of society in general these days that people just love to moan about how bad things are. As you pointed out, it is an expansion and not a new game. All the negative comments really are unfounded until there is proof that the expansion is rubbish. Personally, I cannot help but laugh because all these whingers will buy it as soon as it hits the shelves

......Orda

[Bhruic]

As you pointed out, it is an expansion and not a new game.

That's a rather silly comment. If it was a new game, why would we be expecting it to have any impact on the original game? RTW didn't affect MTW, MTW didn't affect STW. So anyone who is commenting about the effect a RTW expansion will have on the base RTW campaign obviously isn't expecting a new game. Suggesting otherwise is just plain foolish.

All the negative comments really are unfounded until there is proof that the expansion is rubbish. Personally, I cannot help but laugh because all these whingers will buy it as soon as it hits the shelves

How many people have said anything about the expansion being rubbish? That seems to be wishful thinking on your part. What people have said is that the announced feature list doesn't sound terribly impressive. Does that mean the expansion won't be any good? Who knows. When it comes out, everyone can evaluate it at that point.

As for laughing, if that makes you feel better, by all means, laugh away. However, your comment is perhaps the only unsubstantiated comment this thread has truly had.

Bh

[Orda Khan]

That's a rather silly comment. If it was a new game, why would we be expecting it to have any impact on the original game? RTW didn't affect MTW, MTW didn't affect STW. So anyone who is commenting about the effect a RTW expansion will have on the base RTW campaign obviously isn't expecting a new game. Suggesting otherwise is just plain foolish.



How many people have said anything about the expansion being rubbish? That seems to be wishful thinking on your part. What people have said is that the announced feature list doesn't sound terribly impressive. Does that mean the expansion won't be any good? Who knows. When it comes out, everyone can evaluate it at that point.

As for laughing, if that makes you feel better, by all means, laugh away. However, your comment is perhaps the only unsubstantiated comment this thread has truly had.

Bh

I guess the 'Featureless Expansion' thread title and the negative replies using the 'wonderful' VI as comparison just passed you by then. As for laughing...Yes I am LMAO. 'Featureless'......How is this 'substantiated'? I stand by what I said, since there has been any amount of moaning about BI and what it is not

......Orda

[Bhruic]

I guess the 'Featureless Expansion' thread title and the negative replies using the 'wonderful' VI as comparison just passed you by then. As for laughing...Yes I am LMAO. 'Featureless'......How is this 'substantiated'? I stand by what I said, since there has been any amount of moaning about BI and what it is not

I saw the title. I saw the replies talking about VI. I'm not sure what your point is regarding them. Certainly, suggesting that the expansion is completely lacking features in the literal sense would be silly. But the explanation in the first post makes it clear that's not the intention. 'Featureless' is meant to indicate ... Well, the first post makes it clear:

They have not mentioned a 'single' feature worth the excitement of a new product.

That seems like an entirely substantiated post, if a completely subjective one. By contrast, VI added at least one feature that was worth a great deal of excitement. I can't comment on STW, as I never got the expansion for it.

They say laughter is good for the soul, so laugh away. I, personally, am in agreement with the original post, in that I don't find anything (again, anything announced) about the expansion terribly interesting. If it sounds great to you, well, that's good. Not only can you laugh, but you can look forward to a good expansion. Me, I'll wait to see what the general reaction is after it's released.

Bh

[Teleklos Archelaou]

I would love to buy an expansion if it actually did anything at all that I think is very interesting. From what has been publicly stated about this one, I have seen absolutely no reason to pay a dime for this one. I'm not a Mr. Negative about it - I've not bought one game since I bought RTW last year, I've been so obsessed with it. But I've seen nothing that modders can't do that interests me in their public releases of it so far.

[Midnight]

I'm another one who's found nothing overly exciting in this. What I'd *really* like is a massive leap in AI, which would make the original game a lot more interesting (I haven't played in ages, a little part of me still hopes the x-pack will make the game what, IMO, it should have been).

I'm going to wait until the x-pack's released, and see what those who do get it are saying after a couple of months. If the AI and original game aren't *seriously* improved, I will not be buying BI.

[caesar44]

horse swimming pig eating, night battels afternoon shmatels - i want a better map AI , more options for diplomacy etc , this is a strategic game , dam !

[irishron2004]

I have read Shogun's responses to have my own opinion on this matter. From what I read, BI is still BS. I have no reason to purchase with these sales pitches. Without further attention to the things that matter to these sites that have supported RTW and the subsequent mods, I, right now do not think this sales pitch will sell very many. Probably won't pay the bills.

[Servius]

Buying it will only reinforce CA's behavior. If you don't like what they're making or how they're acting, don't buy the xpac.

[Daveybaby]

I could care less about any new features in the expansion. I'm looking at it as a bug fix patch that i will have to pay for. Not an ideal situation to be sure, but what the hell - IMO a bug free version of RTW is probably worth an extra 20 quid. If the game actually ends up working properly then its money well spent - at least we have a chance of bugfixes unlike with some publishers (grumble... Atari... Moo3... grumble).

However, i will be holding off on purchasing the expansion until its confirmed that the bugs *have* been fixed, specifically that the AI has noticably improved, the load/save issues are resolved, and that no new game crippling bugs have been introduced.

[Mongoose]

I just don't see the point...why not just buy a new game for the same amount of money?


I hate all xpacs