'Featureless' Expansion

[Orda Khan]

STW had no bugs?
MTW had no bugs?
Please, this is not true.
MTW/VI was a finished article after v2.01? I think not. Not unless you are happy with spears that are worthless. And why were they messed up in the first place? Because the community were not happy that they could beat swords. I saw no problem with 100 spears beating 60 swords but there you go. It seems people do not like the phalanx as it is....yet they were happy with VI spears!?!?
We will soon see what BI is like. My guess is that it will surprise

......Orda

[Shambles]

Dont get me wrong, I beleve rome has Massive potential,
And i did not say that the other 2 were perfect,

But as you can plainly tell I am most definatly happy with the few bugs that they may have,
Where as the masses of bugs in rome lead me to b verry unhappy with it,
I dont disslike the concept,
Neither do i disslike the engine,

I mearly wish to wait untill they have fully grasped the capabilatys of it and are able to utilise them properly,
I to hope that the expantion will be great,
And if it is and works Well enough "i dont expect perfect"
then i will soon change my tune,

But i for 1 will not go out and buy it,
and even if it is flawless I ill wait untill the next game.
simply for the reason that all rome does when its on my pc is eat up valuabale disk space,

[Quietus]

Hey Captain Fishpants,

E3 had come and gone. When are you guys going to release some major Barbarian Invasion preview? Two months before the release and we are still in the dark.

Shambles, RTW is far more complex than Shogun and MTW.

[Puzz3D]

MTW/VI was a finished article after v2.01? I think not. Not unless you are happy with spears that are worthless. And why were they messed up in the first place? Because the community were not happy that they could beat swords. I saw no problem with 100 spears beating 60 swords but there you go. It seems people do not like the phalanx as it is....yet they were happy with VI spears!?!?
We will soon see what BI is like. My guess is that it will surprise.

It's was the upgrade system combined with the cheap swords that caused the breakdown of the RPS in MTW/VI MP. The basic units functioned correctly when not upgraded or if all units were upgraded equally. This isn't the case in RTW where the best cav units defeat the best spear units frontally. RTW had many, many more issues to be patched than the other two games. CA stated publically that they initially put 25 programmers out of a total of 74 on the RTW v1.2 patch effort. It was an effort which ran for 3 months, but there were still outstanding issues which weren't addressed because there was so much to do.

Now BI, which is supposed to be an add-on, has to also be a major patch to RTW, and yet we still see evasiveness from CA about gameplay issues, and I don't mean night battles or beserkers that go out of control. That doesn't instill confidence in me that the gameplay issues will be addressed. Everytime a player raises the issue of historical accuracy or realism someone we hear that gameplay comes first. Ok fine. I'd like to see the commitment to the gameplay because I haven't seen it yet. The basic RPS doesn't work. This has been pointed put to CA with replays which clearly show the problem, and it was done before v1.2 was finished.

CA often falls back on the excuse that they don't have enough time and resources to fix all the issues. That means they don't have the time and resources to make the game into a finished product. This isn't going to change with BI. Maybe the managers at CA will incude more debugging time in the development schedule this time around.

[Spartiate]

I am unhappy with the finished product as released to us but i will also be buying the expansion pack the day it comes out.Maybe i'm lucky that i don't worry about 50 quid or maybe it's because i buy very few games these days so i rarely feel cheated of my cash.I will never buy a resource management AoE/Starcraft/Warcraft type of game again,so for me it's TW games and Space Strats like Homeworld from now on.Since STW i have been hooked on TW and will continue to buy them for the mods that our great .ORG TWC and RTR members are creating if nothing else.