Thanks Mom!

[mercian billman]

Overturned by the Supreme Court.

I thought it was only the Texas law which prohibited sex between same-sex partners that was overturned.

AFAIK not all soddomy laws have been struck down.

[PanzerJaeger]

She shouldnt have envited other kids to the party with a stripper. That violates the parent's authority over what they want their children exposed to.

[Byzantine Prince]

Yes because seeing another woman's bussoms is sooooo inapropriate for their kid's virgin eyes. :rollseyes:

[PanzerJaeger]

Its not up to her to decide whats decent for children who are not hers.

[Byzantine Prince]

How do you know she didn't inform their parents about the 'entertainment' of the event?

Even if she didn't, there's nothing indecent about a woman's bussoms. Do you think breastfeeding is indecent as well?

[mercian billman]

How do you know she didn't inform their parents about the 'entertainment' of the event?

Even if she didn't, there's nothing indecent about a woman's bussoms. Do you think breastfeeding is indecent as well?

First of all theres a huge difference between breast feeding and getting a lapdance. And it's not upto her or you to decide what's decent for other people's children.

If she informed the parents of the other children she would use it as a defence. I highly doubt that she informed the other parents of what was going on, even informing them isn't enough. The other parents would probably deny they were informed, she would have to have permission in writing, otherwise any claims that she informed the other parents are null and void.

[PanzerJaeger]

How do you know she didn't inform their parents about the 'entertainment' of the event?

Does it say that in the article posted?

Even if she didn't, there's nothing indecent about a woman's bussoms. Do you think breastfeeding is indecent as well?

They arent your kids. Its not your place to say what they should allow their kids to see.

[Steppe Merc]

That's pretty cool, I must say.
I can't say the state should have any right at all in preventing this or punishing either the stripper, the kid or the parents.

Though I must say, PJ and Mercian have a point. The parent's probably ought to have legally known, though that sort of would suck, since everyone would want to go to Billy Bob's party, but can't cause Momma won't let them...

But I really don't see anything wrong with this at all. And that's not just because I'm a dirty minded 17 year old...

They actually had to test that in court ??!!!

In certaint parts of the countries, it only recently became legal for people to practice oral and anal sex... One married couple I believe got in legal trouble for doing one or the other, I think. And this wasn't in 1801, either.
Oh... Mercian already said that....

[Laridus Konivaich]

And it's not upto her or you to decide what's decent for other people's children.

But it is also not the place of the government to decide what is decent for other people's children, or anyone, to see. If the other parents have a problem with the 'entertainment,' they should be allowed to pursue private action against the mother.

Basically, this should not involve anyone besides the children who were at the party, and their parents.

[Papewaio]

But it is also not the place of the government to decide what is decent for other people's children, or anyone, to see. If the other parents have a problem with the 'entertainment,' they should be allowed to pursue private action against the mother.

Wrong both beastility, child porn and hate literature can and are outlawed by otherwise very free countries.

We have liberties in democracies not unlimited freedom.

[bmolsson]

Its not up to her to decide whats decent for children who are not hers.

Burn the witch ??

[Laridus Konivaich]

Wrong both beastility, child porn and hate literature can and are outlawed by otherwise very free countries.

You even say yourself that they are 'otherwise free,' showing that they are not free. It could probably be argued that outlawing those would violate freedom of speech or freedom of press, but for child porn you have the age of consent problem to deal with. But that is all ot, since none of the three types of media that you mention are involved in the case.

Let's look at it this way: parents can take their children to see r rated movies which contain all sorts of nudity, violence, et cetera, but they can't take other people's children there. Same should apply to this. I have never seen any big fuss about people taking other kids to r movies without explicit parental consent, why should a live stripper be any different?

[Papewaio]

Australian Rating System:

G Suitable for all viewers. It is noted by the board that a "G" movie rating in Australia doesn't indicate the movie is intended for children, simply that nothing in the movie will be disturbing or harmful to children.

PG Parental Guidance recommended for children under 15 years of age.

M Mature, recommended for audiences 15 years and over. Note: this is not a legally restricted Australian movie rating, but movies in this category cannot be recommended for those under 15 years.

MA Mature Accompanied. This category is legally restricted in that children under 15 cannot see "MA" films or rent them on video unless accompanied by a parent or adult guardian.

R Restricted. This category is legally restricted to adults. No one under 18 may view these movies in a cinema or rent them on videocassette.

X Restricted. This rating.applies to sexually explicit material which is restricted to viewers 18 years of age and over.

National Classification Code
1. Classification decisions are to give effect, as far as possible, to the following
principles:
(a) adults should be able to read, hear and see what they want;
(b) minors should be protected from material likely to harm or disturb them;
(c) everyone should be protected from exposure to unsolicited material that
they find offensive;
(d) the need to take account of community concerns about:
(i) depictions that condone or incite violence, particularly sexual
violence; and
(ii) the portrayal of persons in a demeaning manner.

So no in Australia it is not legal for a minor to view R rated material...

[PanzerJaeger]

Let's look at it this way: parents can take their children to see r rated movies which contain all sorts of nudity, violence, et cetera, but they can't take other people's children there. Same should apply to this. I have never seen any big fuss about people taking other kids to r movies without explicit parental consent, why should a live stripper be any different?

I know of many parents that would object to other parents taking their children to R rated movies without telling them.

[Laridus Konivaich]

I know of many parents that would object to other parents taking their children to R rated movies without telling them.

Yes, so do I, but there wouldn't be crimnal charges over it, is all that I was trying to say. Sure, the parents would be angry, but most that I know would be more likely to just ground their child for going to it.

[Papewaio]

Anyone screening a banned film in Australia can be fined $11,000 and jailed for a year, with companies fined up to $250,000.

... essentially X-rated movies are banned from being shown to minors and can attract similar penalities.

[mercian billman]

But it is also not the place of the government to decide what is decent for other people's children, or anyone, to see. If the other parents have a problem with the 'entertainment,' they should be allowed to pursue private action against the mother.

Basically, this should not involve anyone besides the children who were at the party, and their parents.

I never stated it was the governments proper place to determine how children were raised. I actually agree wholeheartedly with what your saying

BTW Congrats on your 500th post

Pap, in the US the rating system is a little bit different.

[PanzerJaeger]

Yes, so do I, but there wouldn't be crimnal charges over it, is all that I was trying to say.

Good point..

[Papewaio]

Pap, in the US the rating system is a little bit different.

Wow I thought Australian Rating System included the USA...

[mercian billman]

Wow I thought Australian Rating System included the USA...

It's different, but works primarily in the same way.

http://www.movie-ratings.net/movieratings_us.shtml

some excerpts,

The MPAA President (currently Jack Valenti) chooses the Chairman of the Rating Board. Board members are chosen from U.S. society and must meet the qualifications of having a "parenthood experience" and possessing an "intelligent maturity"

No studio, distributor, theater, or video store is bound by any legislation to follow the ratings applied by the MPAA ratings board.

While the MPAA ratings appear on videocassettes released in the U.S., the board has no legislative authority to enforce restrictions on home video rentals or sales.

[Papewaio]

* Note to self sarcasm detector not working in Wisconsin.

In Aus it includes DVDs/Videos (which depending on extras may result in a different rating), books and video games... all done by the same Office of Film and Literature

[Laridus Konivaich]

BTW Congrats on your 500th post

Thanks. (and some of those were even constructive posts )

Yes, the Australian and US systems will be different, but I assumed that we would focus on the US system, since that is where the incident is occurring.

So then it seems that we would need to know specifically what took place at the birthday party (how it is classified legally), to determine whether or not it was legal.

[bmolsson]

Wow I thought Australian Rating System included the USA...

Not really, only US rate Walt Disney cartoons.....

[Ja'chyra]

Oral sex, is soddomy and soddomy is illegal in some US states.

You sure about that? I always thought it was butt sex

Anyway, the parent should be allowed to hire a stripper for her 16 year old son if she wants, she should have informed all the other parents first though and not invited the 14 year old.

[doc_bean]

The movie rating wasn't enforced in Belgium in the good ol' days, a friend of mine rented several X rated movies when he was 13.

In the video store they weren't even placed in a separate section, IIRC they were on the other side of the cartoon rack

But yes, consent from the other parents should be needed before you let their kids see a stripper, but it should also be those parents who press charges. (Couldn't they get money out of it ? I thought everyone sued if they smelled money in the US ?)

[Fragony]

You sure about that? I always thought it was butt sex

Maybe just a combination of these two, for hygine's sake. Has anyone ever actually been convicted for having oral sex? Americans can be so weird

[Ser Clegane]

I think there are quite a lot of weird laws in the individual States if you look for them.
However, AFAIK these rather have the character of entertaining oddities than having an actual effect on real life.

I think most countries probably have some odd aold laws that nobody ever took the time to update/change (I remember some odd laws about bee colonies in our civil law...)

[Ronin]

You sure about that? I always thought it was butt sex

Anyway, the parent should be allowed to hire a stripper for her 16 year old son if she wants, she should have informed all the other parents first though and not invited the 14 year old.

well......oral sex can be butt sex.... ...under certain practices

[bmolsson]

Maybe just a combination of these two, for hygine's sake. Has anyone ever actually been convicted for having oral sex? Americans can be so weird

The evidence was that CSI found sperms in the used chewing gum....

[ah_dut]

She shouldnt have envited other kids to the party with a stripper. That violates the parent's authority over what they want their children exposed to.

I may be incorrect but according to the article that I read she asked the permission of the other parents to expose them to this