Not quite right. When overzealous members of our security forces take part in dubious "wink-wink" skullduggery that cause people to be imprisoned/detained unjustly, the Canadian government commissions an inquiry to find out who was responsible and punish them.

On the other hand, when the U.S. security forces want to imprison people unjustly, you simply have your Attorney General write a lengthy opinion as to how it is actually legal as long as you do it on a pisspot island away from the continental U.S. and carry on.

That's the difference.

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The proof is in the pudding so to speak. It seems that at least one overzealous member of your country's government has allowed a citizen of your country to be deported - instead of doing something about it. Nor does it seem from what I read that anything is being done about it - but then its a low level news item now - and there is a possiblity that the United States news media has decided not to cover the story.

Actually the letter was written about individuals who are not recongized combatants and not inhabitants of the area in question. Care to guess what punishment the Hague Convention of 1907 has to say about these types of individuals. Being imprisoned on an Island - well is a better fate then what that convention states - and that my Canadian friend is considered the document on the Rules of War.

And your government (just to drive the point home some more) allowed one of its citizens to be deported to the second country in which the individual had a dual citizenship to, verus attempting to have him returned to his new home.

Yep - the Canadian Government has failed miserablily in protecting its own citizens.

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Actually the letter was written about individuals who are not recongized combatants and not inhabitants of the area in question.
Yes , but many individuals outside of that definition have been sent there .

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one would be too many - however this thread is about Canada refusing to take one of its citizens back, one that they knew would be deported to his other country of citizenship, and in fact even turned over the information that got the individual seized in American Terrority. The United States was following its policy of deporting individuals back to their country of orgin - since Canada refused to accept him back - well he had to go to the other nation on his passport. (now if you want to talk about the area where the United States acted incorrectly - putting him on a private plane and flying him non-stop to Syria is a valid point, but the discussion is not about that now is it? )

Beriut is absolutely correct - the Canadian government failed to protect one of its citizens and do the right thing by that individual. The actions that the United States were going to take was know by the Canadian government officials - and they decided to turn a blind eye and allow it to happen - when they could of prevented it. To blame the United States in this case is simply misplaced - unless the individual is willing to place equal or even greater blame on the government of Canada for allowing this to happen to one of their citizens when they were given the opporunity to stop it.

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putting him on a private plane and flying him non-stop to Syria is a valid point, but the discussion is not about that now is it?
No , I am a little off topic , but you must agree that those "private" planes have been very very busy.
More onto topic . If this were to happen today , where would he be deported to , since Syria withdrew from its quiet agreement of support for the US war on terror last week . If Canada and Syria refused to take him then where would he end up ? Cuba , Diego Garcia , Afghanistan , Uzbeckistan , Pakistan ? Or would he have been held on the continental US even though there was not enough evidence to secure a conviction ?
Nasty business this extraordinary rendition isn't it . Very questionable legally (not to mention morally) .

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That is a dilimna that faces many nations everyday with the capture of illegal immigrants into different nations. If Canada and Syria had both refused to take the individual in question - then the United States would have had no choice but to detain him until such a time that one of his parent companies choice to take him - or that the United States decides to grant him a visa or citizen.

In history there has been several instances of this occuring - the Vietnam Boat people ended up in a camp in Arkansas until their status was determined, then the Cuban Refugees also remained in a camp until their status was determined.

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Hmm, I wasn't aware that Syria was ever onboard with the US war effort. Ok, so the Canadian government informs the US that a person travelling in their country is likely a terrorist and supplies info in support of that. The US government detains him and offers to return him to Canada to be prosecuted. Canada refuses to take custody of him, so he is sent to the other country where he holds citizenship because they are happy to take custody of him. This is an example of the US bullying how?

How do you deport someone to his home country when it's authorities won't take custody of him? Just drop him off at the border and make him promise to be good and not come back? I think it's clear that the Canadian government also thought he was a threat and did not want him back either- they were the reason the the US gov was suspicious of him in the first place.

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That's priceless. Your government has one of our citizens in custody and refuses to return him unless we violate the law, and you blame us for not helping him. Nice. What did you want us to do, invade?

Yep - the U.S. government has succeeded once again in bullying another nation and persecuting an individual because they happen to have brown skin and pray to Allah.

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I'm with Beruit... the Canadians should have taken him, then told the American government to go screw themselves.

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Whats wrong Goofball like to dish out criticism about other nations but don't want it pointed back at Canada. Canada had the option to take back the individual. Canada refused to take back the individual because of some diplomatic condition that the United States asked of them. Instead of negoating with the United States to accept a condition that was within the desires and wishes of Canada - your government elected not to take him. Given that the individual was of Syrian citizen the United States was within its rights to deport the individual back to a country in which he is a citizen of. Face it Goofball your government made a mistake. If your going to criticize the United States for its policies - at least have the gumption to understand that in this case your government is more at fault - because its simple - the individual is a citizen of Canada also.

An individual who your nation decided needed to be investigated and turned over the information to the United States. So make sure you criticize your own government for what you just accused the United States of, to do otherwise is nothing other then being a hypocrit.

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I don't know where you got that idea. I already said I was disgusted with the actions of my government in this case.

An "option" that necessitates us violating our own laws to placate the U.S. administration's paranoia and racism is not really an option.

Believe me, I know my government "makes mistakes" (to put it mildly) on a daily basis. However, in this case, where they were not really given an acceptable choice by your government. Any choice they made would have been wrong.

Easy with the name calling Red. Play the ball, not the man.

At any rate, turning over the info appears to have been more the action of some overzealous idiot in CSIS or the RCMP, both of which have had less than stirling reputations of late when it comes to investigative prowess or discretion.

Hopefully this inquiry will find out exactly who did what and some people will get fired or go to jail.

From your perspective, perhaps. From my perspective it is about yet another example of the U.S. government violating the rights of individuals and bullying sovereign nations simply because the U.S. happens to be a superpower and can do whatever the hell it wants.

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From the admendment blaming of the United States for deporting a Syrian native back to his home country.


Now that is funny.

Then your government should of erred to the benefit of its citizen - in this your nation is more wrong toward this individual then the United States.

Playing the ball - not the man - the arguement is hypocritical. Blaming the United States for a failure of your nation to protect its own citizens.

The point being that your government turned over the information knowning what the United States policy was and is - then when they had an opporunity protect their own citizen they turned their back - and its the fault of the United States - no Goofball it is the fault of your own government.

Better yet send them on a vacation to Syria in the same commendations as this individual.

No bullying at all - Canada decided not to comply with what the United States asked - and its citizen paid the price of your government's failure to act on his behalf.

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When did the USA gain the right to tell Canada what to do with a Canadian citizen?

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