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    Default Countdown to Open Beta - Swêbōz

    Greetings Europa Barbarorum fans!

    As you are aware, we have begun our closed beta test. We asked only a small number of people to take part, including the official Beta Test team; there may be more opportunities in the future, but take heart that the closed beta will allow us to reach a playable form much more quickly so that everyone may participate in the open beta. Please allow us to set expectations - this is still a beta, and bugs are to be expected in a project of this magnitude.

    We apologize for not meeting your expectation of a weekend update. We do our best to meet your expectations, but sometimes our families, real lives, and mod work come first. A lot of things must come together to make these updates, and the pieces have not fallen into place before now.

    Today or tomorrow should see a new release make its way into the hands of our closed testers, and so we'll be moving even closer to the open beta.

    This week, the EB team is proud to present:



    Háiláz Kuningáz!

    We, the Erilōz and all Fránkámánnōz of the Swêbōz have raised you on the shield to be both the Kuningáz and the Hárjánáz of all our tribes in this time of its need. As a man of a noble lineage which can trace its blood to the ancient gods, the elders of our peoples trust that you will be a just and wise ruler and bring good fortune to us all. And as a warrior, skilled and crafty in battle, our warbands swear to follow you in war and do your bidding, so long as your judgement is clear and your war-luck holds.

    As you know, our federation stands on the brink of both great opportunity and great danger. To our west, over the great river Rhine, lie the rich and fertile lands of the Gauls. These people are strong warriors and well-armed, but they have grown soft with easy living and are torn by their own rivalries. They also look fearfully to the south, over the mountains, where rumour has it the city-dwelling Southmen - the Romans- are growing ever stronger. Now may be the time for us to cross the river and finally take for ourselves those lands that we have raided and pillaged for generations.

    But we must also look to closer concerns. Our tribes, the Sêmnōnōz, the Márkámánnōz, the Lángōbárdōz and the Hêrmundurōz, to name only a few of our mighty federation, are strong amongst the peoples of the north, but we have attracted jealous rivals. The Hêruskōz are a proud tribe and would be happy to usurp our status. They may not have our numbers, but they have proven themselves fierce fighters. They would be particularly threating to us with they conquered or made a common cause with the Hábukōz or the Háttōz. Perhaps it would be wise for us to make the first move and bring all three of these tribes into our federation, either by reason or by force.

    And there are other threats further afield. In the far north, the peoples of Skándzá are stirring and with the Rugōz and Gōtánōz, could threaten us from the north-east. And there are rumours, that a great wandering army from amongst the Kimbriōz will march through Gaul and bring war and fire to the far off land of the southern people. Subduing these dangerous warriors would aid our safety, add to our strength and give us access to the northern seas.

    With our flanks secured, there are warm rich lands to the west and south for our warriors to conquer. We don't lack for courage, strength and wisdom in war, Wōdánáz willing. And what we lack in swords and armour we can remedy through looting and conquest. With good fortune, good judgement and cunning strategy, we can expand our lands in all directions and become the richest and mightiest tribe the northlands have ever seen.

    Our future is in your hands.

    Here are a few action shots:






    Some of the units you will find in the Swêbōz armies:


    Swáinōz - Swáinōz are lightly armed troops who break up and harass enemy formations before the main battle lines meet, and act as a screen for heavier troops. Their skills also make them useful in springing tactical ambushes. Each man is armed with a clutch of throwing framea, a slightly longer frame for melee and a stout ovular shield, but they do not wear armour, preferring speed over protection. Swáinōz are mostly the tribe’s younger warriors. These men have yet to prove themselves as warriors. The Swainaz are armed with up to three throwing framea and a frame for the melee.


    Bugimánnōz - These germanic bowmen learned their skill with their chosen weapon by hunting in the dense germanic forests. Bugimánnōz are used to harass and break up enemy formations, so that other warriors can then get in amongst their enemies. Their bows have a short range, but each warrior carries a good selection of hunting and war arrows, designed to cause massive bleeding and pierce armour respectively. Their choice of missile is matched to the nature of the target. These tribesmen are also armed with the typical germanic spear - the framea, which means that they can do more than just defend themselves in hand-to-hand combat. They can, when required, act as light infantry. Their presence on a battlefield is always useful, as they have the flexibility to be both archers and infantry and do a good job in both tasks. These Bugimánnōz are at their best in wooded country, where their superior stalking skills learned on the hunt can be put to use.


    Fránkámánnōz - Germanic Tribesmen are mostly yeomen and hunters. From a very early age they are accustomed to persistent tribal wars and raids. As soon as they recieve their spear and shield according to germanic tradition they are adults and full warriors of their tribe. These tribesmen lack the training of the germanic warbands, but are fierce and their experience in constant tribal clashes make them better then most other militias. Their armament consists of a sturdy frame and an ovular shield. They have nothing in the way of armor except for trousers.


    Hábukōz-Swáiut - The Chaucii are a numerous tribe inhabiting the extreme northwestern shore of Germania. The tribe called itself Hawks - Hábukōz in their own language - and their warriors often used symbols of those birds on their clothing and shields. Hábukōz warriors form warbands, called Swáiut, and are bound to the service of a strongman or petty village head. They fight well, as glory and loot are the road to status, but are often difficult to control. The Hábukōz-Swáiut can form the shieldwall, a very good defensive formation and can be relied on to fight, and fight hard. In warfare it is up to each man to prove his own bravery and worth, so the savage charge into the enemy is about as sophisticated as they ever want to be. Their weapon, the frame, is a spear with a short sharp ending, ideal for thrusting and throwing , and a stout, large ovular shield for protection.


    Mêrjōz - Mêrjōz are an elite among tribal warriors, selected for their physical size, strength, bravery and not to forget agility and speed as these warriors run directly behind their cavalry into the fray. Double-handed axes are intimidating weapons, especially in the hands of these warriors. These men can hack a hole in almost any enemy battle line. They are the assault troops of any barbarian army, the men whose only job is to smash any organised resistance and keep on killing until no foes remain. They are fantastically strong men - and need to be to wield their enormous two-handed axes with any degree of skill and control. The axes are easily capable of cleaving a man down to his breastbone even through armour.


    Sáhsnōtōz - Sáhsnōtōz means Swordbondsmen and these fighters hail from such warlike tribes as the Cimbrii, the Cheruscii, the Chaucii, and the numerous clans of the Suebii confederation. Swords are not plentiful in germanic lands, due to the expense and iron needed for a such a weapon, and so these fierce and valiant warriors carry their highly valued swords with pride. They fight in dense formation, often with their own kinsmen at their side. The Sahsnotaz carry a long sword, up to two framea for throwing
    and a large ovular shield for protection.


    Skándzá-Swáiut - Scandia and the island of the gothii are rough lands with a harsh climate, and its people are used to fighting everyday for survival. The Swáiut of these tribes are fierce and hardy and they fight well, as glory and loot are the road to status, but are often difficult to control as they have little tactical sense, but are experts at reading the land and hiding when there is cover. In warfare it is up to each man to prove his own bravery and worth, so the savage charge into the enemy is about as sophisticated as they ever want to be. Their weapon, the frame, is a spear with a short sharp ending, ideal for thrusting and throwing and a stout, large ovular shield for protection.


    Wōdánáwulfōz - Wōdánáwulfōz hail from the Harii tribe, which belong to the Suebii confederation. These warriors are fierce in nature and trick out their innate ferocity by the help of art and choice of time- they blacken their shields and dye their bodies; they choose pitchy nights for their battles and strike fear into their enemies by the terrifying and shadowy appearance of an army of the dead. A particularly frightening tactic of the Wolf-Warriors, which amaze their enemies, is that they are so fast on foot that they would team up with a horse-riding warrior, hang on to the mane of the horse with their left hand, wield their weapons with their right hand, and charge into battle, running as fast as the horse directly into the fray. Before battle, they daub their bodies with black dye, giving them an otherworldly appearance. When the moment is right, they charge - wild-eyed and screaming - at their foes. Any who survive assaults by these maniacal barbarians are convinced they are spirits sent from Hell. Wōdánáwulfōz carry a sword and have also up to two framea for throwing. For protection, only a stout ovular shield.


    Ridōhárjōz - Ridōhárjōz ride sturdy and sure-footed ponies with a good turn of speed, and are excellent light cavalry, useful as scouts as well as harass enemy formations before the main battle lines with their throwing framea. Like many germanic warriors, however, they can lack battle-discipline and be over-keen to enter battle against worthy opponents. This can lead them to be headstrong, and difficult to restrain before a fight, as personal glory gained in battle is always welcome. Honour and standing come from fighting, and sometimes the urge for glory overwhelms good sense!

    Their war gear of framea and shield is the very finest that can be provided. Before a battle starts the Ridon often throw a few framea at the enemy. These warriors are armed with a frame for thrusting and up to two framea for throwing. For protection they carry only a round or ovular wooden shield, because speed is more important for them than armor.

    Finally, a signature image:


    We hope you enjoyed this week's (belated) preview. Next week's may be slightly delayed as well, as our scheduling is a bit off at the moment.

    Please note that unless stated otherwise, ALL pictures shown in our news posts are of works in progress. We continue to improve on all parts of EB, and will do so long after our initial release.

    Since some areas where these news items are posted cannot handle wide images, we appreciate your restraint from quoting full-size images.

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    Have a wonderful day!

    Sincerely,

    -the EB team
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    Those Wōdánáwulfōz, looked like killer racoons!

    Nice Khelvan and the Swêbōz team!

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    Excellent stuff. This looks like its gonna be one of the harder factions to play.
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    Yeah....the Germanic team did a really good. I personally love the 2-handed axe (the Dane-axe being one of my favourite weapons...so I gotta love these guys....).

    One more thing...I really hope people appreciate this preview, after giving Khelvan such a hard time. You can't imagine the kind of stress that's been going on with the final stages of mod's BETA.



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    well worth the wait... all your work is beautiful.
    one question, the opening description (all the opening text) will that be the spoken part on the intro of Sweboz video thingy? just sounds (struggling to find apropriate word) narrative?
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    Hooray! So many unarmoured units...wow. It may be quite a challenge to command ze Germans once the beta is released.
    Is it just me, or do the Wolf-warriors all have mullets?!

    Thanks for the preview, guys. Everything looks great.

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    Why is it, that there are 4 units that are wielding a spear, oval shield and 2 Javelins? And you say you didn't have enough unit slots...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DemonArchangel
    Why is it, that there are 4 units that are wielding a spear, oval shield and 2 Javelins? And you say you didn't have enough unit slots...
    Because the primary weapon of the Germanics was the framea, a thrusting/throwing spear. We're not going to give them a lot of swords when swords were very hard to come by.

    As to your units question, we're not really hurting for unit slots, though they would be nice to come by, as any change in stats or unit name requires a new unit slot. What we're really hurting for are model slots, especially since we can have only one texture for each faction per model + one merc texture. So if you see four units with spears, shields, and javelins, it requires at LEAST two model slots, if not more, even if the actual model itself may be the same. Models and model slots are two different things.
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    Beautiful Countdown, all the more becuase we had to wait so long. Thank you khelvan & co.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khelvan
    Because the primary weapon of the Germanics was the framea, a thrusting/throwing spear. We're not going to give them a lot of swords when swords were very hard to come by.
    Khelvan, the framea was in use by the Franks between III and X century AD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dago
    Khelvan, the framea was in use by the Franks between III and X century AD.
    Well, thank you for this piece of trivia! I'm not clear though; since our campaign ends in 14 AD, did you mean that as some sort of counterpoint?
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    Yeah but not in the same role as they once had. They were no longer the primary weapon of the Germanic warrior. Saxons were notorious for their swordsmen, the Franks used a lot of axes (not to mention the francisca) and some tribes even used pikes as their main weapon (guess CA got the period wrong for the german "phalanx"). Also, the ammount of armour worn by the germanics tend to become higher and higher as the Western Empire goes down.



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    Great work again EB. Can't wait for the open beta....

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    Great update Khelvan, All units are cool but i like especially the Mêrjōz unit.
    Mêrjōz look really dangerous.
    EB did it again
    I have one question why are many germanic shields unpainted...
    If the shields are unpainted it is easier for a enemy to hit the shield on a weak spot.
    If you hit a shield just on the spot where to pieces of wood join each other you can easily break the shield.
    Paint makes it more dificult for the enemy to detect the weakspot of the shield and paint protects the shield from the weather a bit....




    PS: On the last unit action shot I you look carefully you can see a new Gallic unit, the guys are naked and i think there are the geasata warriors!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheTank
    I have one question why are many germanic shields unpainted...
    While the gauls painted their shields, the germanics took their lands and wives.

    Just a joke - i see Psycho unsheating his weapon - just a joke
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaFe
    While the gauls painted their shields, the germanics took their lands and wives.

    Just a joke - i see Psycho unsheating his weapon - just a joke
    And enslaved the gallic warriors to paint the shields for the germanics....

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    Just don´t like barbarians, but good work EB!

    Next Faction: Allied Hellenes ok?

    (I´m wondering how will I ever be able to see the difference in battle between that mjordz and suojnadamj stuff... suppose i´ll switch to the old way: "guys wielding scary axes" or "hairy dirty warband" )

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    Something I've noticed is that the arms of the axemen are pretty strange; from the shoulders to elbows they are muscular, but from elbows to hands a girl with anorexia would barely come close. I hope the team will look into it

    Very cool stuff! Though I think they need some more cavalry..
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    All that is so pedantic and elitist
    What is this swêböz name I have never heard of before ?
    Oh well, that sucks


    Seriously, great work as usual. I don't really like the germans, but these are sure better than vanilla ones :)

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    Brilliant. Absoulty Brillant. I bow to you,EB



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    Nice germans... But no armor i guess its going to be a hard job playing as them since compared to the Aedui they have a large number of light to medium type of units.
    Its really strange since i always thought of germans as being these chainarmoured shock troops and not as skirmishers
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    just looking into this nice thread to let you know, that you've seen only 9 of 18 available units.
    Speculation could begin...

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    Yeah, I mean, we haven't even shown you the Super Elite Thor Stormtroopers of Doom, with heavy plate armor, composite longbows and 20 ft long pikes...
    oops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eadingas
    Yeah, I mean, we haven't even shown you the Super Elite Thor Stormtroopers of Doom, with heavy plate armor, composite longbows and 20 ft long pikes...
    oops.
    ;)
    As ever eadingas is totally wrong with the super-elite troops.
    Thors Stormtroopers have no composite longbows - they have ballista that fires lighning bolts and also the warriors wearing super metal armour.
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    it says here in the description "Their weapon, the frame, is a spear with a short sharp ending"

    but in the pics they have long blades ?



    by the way, the Germans (and northern barbarians) should be a head taller then the Romans and other southeners whos average height was about 150 cm then

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    It's a bit hard to show height difference, since all of the people of the unit have to be of the same height. And needless to say, while Germans may have been larger due to the larger amount of meat in their diet, not all were giants.
    But the german guys and the unit guys can answer it better.

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    Besides that, Romans really weren't that small. Just overall smaller then the Celtic and Germanic peoples.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutobod II
    it says here in the description "Their weapon, the frame, is a spear with a short sharp ending"

    but in the pics they have long blades ?



    by the way, the Germans (and northern barbarians) should be a head taller then the Romans and other southeners whos average height was about 150 cm then
    I don't know about that description problem, Safe knows to respond to that.
    Were working in increasing the unit heights but not extremely as some germans were, and not all german units will have the same heights so the youths units will be smaller than the older.
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    the average height of the Germans back then according to skelleton finds was about 172 cm while the Romans only measured 150 cm

    I am asking because I saw LOTR screenshots with dwarves and hobbits - and they were smaller then men...

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    @Teutobod.
    My records says 176 cm average for germanics, but i can confirm we are currently working on height differences.
    For romans i think your numbers are a bit too low. Their soldiers were the strongest and i think we can assume that they were above the height of the average roman citizen. I think 160 cm sounds more realistic.

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