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    Wow, thats a lot of replies. Ok, in order.

    2 Eggs
    2 slices of cheese
    ethier bagels or tortillas
    Banna
    OJ
    Milk
    Whey
    Vitaman

    Lunch

    milk
    gatorade
    2 chicken sandwhices

    Dinner

    Big Bowl of Spagetti and Meatballs (or another good carb and meat)
    PB sanich
    Banna
    Vitaman
    Gatorade
    Milk

    I need to keep a good supply of calories for the absolute hell the foot ball coahces put us though

    M-F 1 and half hours in 100 degree weather doing pushups running hitting eachother jumping rope all in full pads!1!

    Then they make us come after school to lift I max the follwing

    Bench: 240
    Squat: 365
    Power Clean: 205

    Am I doing right?
    First piece of advice: there is a "Spell check" button. You should use it.

    Apart from that: If you are trying to cut on some fat you have to have a calorie deficit. That doesn't mean not eating, but you should end up, some 3-400 calories under your daily needs. So the obvious thing to do is cut out a bottle of gatorade and a sandwich ater the spaghetti (why would you do that anyway?) if "sanich" means sandwich...

    And you probably don't need vitamin twice a day. If you take it in the morning, you shouldn't take it again, there are vitamions that are necessary in small amounts but are very nasty in large quantities (vitamin A for example), besides you will be getting vitamin from food also.

    Also, for lunch, if there is any possibility you could swap both sandiches for a proper meal, do it. White bread in general has too much stuff in it you don't need, saturated fat being one of those things.

    In the morning, if you already had 2 eggs and some cheese, you don't need the whey. There is only so much protein your body can methabolise at once. So I would take the whey after the workout (some half hour after, and eat a proper meal in another half hour or so. BTW, whey is best methabolised with milk), and make your milk low fat.

    About an hour before bed,I would recommend an oatmeal and some cottage cheese, and you sure as hell dont need gatorade before you go to bed.


    What do you recommend? Usually it's two pieces/filets of chicken/fish or a piece of lamb (must have my mutton), a can of vegetables, a couple cups of (oh yes) Earl Grey tea, and a cup or yoghurt. Maybe some honey toast if I'm still hungry.
    As I said just above, my sleeping stack consist of oat porridge (with some honey, the flesh is weak ), low fat cottage cheese, and maybe some fruit like a banana or prunes, no apples. Tea will slow down your digestion, and technically is ok, but some people might find it has an effect similar to a coffee.

    another question, if you build up muscle and then stop compleately for a few months will you lose all of the muscle or just some of it?
    You stop what? Living? Then yes. It depends for how long you stop and if you are using that muscle in your life or not. You won't lose it if you use it. Its like maths. As long as you keep at it, you're ok, if you stop for a year you've forgotten everything you knew.

    What is more important for burning fat, getting enough sleep or not eating before you sleep?
    I don't think I've ever recommended not eating before going to bed. Quite the contrary.

    Anyway, I know I promised an update, but I got an urgent request for a program to write, so it'll have to wait until the weekend.

    BTW, one last thing: SFTS, my maximums are close to yours, only a few pounds difference, but I weight 179 lb. My sport is boxing though. But maybe you don't need all that bulk. Or did you weight yourself with the pads on? jk
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    Well, you need weight if you are tackling people :p

    How tall are you SwordsMaster?

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    Default Re: Getting fit with SwordsMaster

    Quote Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
    Well, you need weight if you are tackling people :p

    How tall are you SwordsMaster?
    Well, I played rugby a few years ago. I'm 1.78m, which is 5'11 I think. You are right though, if SFTS is 6'6 then his weight is perfectly appropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SwordsMaster
    Well, I played rugby a few years ago. I'm 1.78m, which is 5'11 I think. You are right though, if SFTS is 6'6 then his weight is perfectly appropriate.
    Weights for football are going to be a lot higher for rugby though. You don't have the constant running in football so the emphasis is more on size than in rugby. I'm about your size proportionatly (6'2 215), I was actually going to do rugby this spring but got shin splints I was a good size for rugby team but the football players are all much thicker. Even at my school which is hardly athletic. 6 foot 226 is what you'd expect for a football player.

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    Congrats Swordsmaster! your the 100th person to tell me to use the spell check Honestly though thanks Ill try to change some things
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South
    Congrats Swordsmaster! your the 100th person to tell me to use the spell check Honestly though thanks Ill try to change some things

    You know what they say: Vox populi, vox dei. Maybe you should listen....

    Weights for football are going to be a lot higher for rugby though. You don't have the constant running in football so the emphasis is more on size than in rugby. I'm about your size proportionatly (6'2 215), I was actually going to do rugby this spring but got shin splints I was a good size for rugby team but the football players are all much thicker. Even at my school which is hardly athletic. 6 foot 226 is what you'd expect for a football player.
    Yeah, I noticed yankees just can't play rugby. They look big, they are fast, but they still lose. Then again there aren't that many american football teams in Europe.
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    Cottage Cheese is good for pre bedtime as it absorbs very slowly (it's casein.) for a post workout drink, chocolate milk is good, as is whey in milk or with some other carb source (say gatorade?)

    Strike For The South...try eating more for lunch. Good to see a decent breakfast.

    I don't pretend to understand football and I know you may not be overly interested in a weights program but try Joe DeFranco's Westside for skinny b********s
    http://www.defrancostraining.com/art...s_westside.htm

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    Ok, sorry about the delay, my dear potential six-pack sporters, I've been injured, and Real Life in general was quite hectic.

    Nuff complaining, let's get down to business.

    So you mosey down to the gym. And there it is, the room full of fat, skinny, strong, weak, but most of all sweaty guys (or girls - the feminists have won this one -), and as you watch them manhandling weights of different sizes, shapes, colours and composition you wander what to do next. Here is the latest addition to SwordsMaster's training routines' family.

    This program consist of mostly complex exercises, and the goal is both to build some muscle without spectacular results - something like 4 lbs a month until you reach your optimal shape, then it will get slower, and you'll have to shake it up -
    ; and to lose some weight.

    So to start thigs off (and assuming you are warmed up):

    10-8 min row. Get on the rower, set the reistance to 5, and the distance to 2000 m or yards. You MUST do the distance in under 10 min. The optimum is 7.30, but 8 min is a good goal.

    After this, you set off jogging for 30 min or 3 miles trying to sprint for at least 10 % of the total distance (I do laps on a 1 mile circuit, with 2x100 m sprint on every lap).

    Then you are finally ready to do some weights. There are 2 "setups" for convenience I call the MWF setup first, and then the TTh setup.

    On MWF, you will:

    Dips: 5 sets of 10. I like them supersetted with pullups for completeness
    Pullups: 5 sets of 8, aiming at 5x10.

    Bench press: If you can, do a loading (3 set) and then the heavy (3 set) stages: Mine are loading :3x6 for the loading stage, and 3x8 for the heavy one.

    Superset the bench press with a prone row machine or set it up youself. with similar sets.

    And that's it for the day. Go home ang get a nice meal.


    On TTh you will:

    Warm up:

    Squats:
    2x10 loading: progressively get lower and lower, with good posture.
    3x8 heavy: start low, and stay low. A greater range of motion means more muscle being worked.

    Clean-jerk: 2x6 loading. This is a complex exercise, get the form right before starting to put on heavy weight.
    3x6 heavy. This exercise will work every muscle in yur body.

    Lastly: Deadlifts: 3x6 loading
    2x6 heavy. At this stage, your legs should be in bits, so keep good form.

    After this, stretch your legs, and if you feel energetic, fill in with some ab work.

    What I also like to do, is on Saturday, go to the swimming pool for an hour. You will feel completely refreshed on Monday.

    Last thing: after 3 weeks of pushing the weight up, on week 3 drop it by about 20%. On week 4 your threshold will be much improved.

    Enjoy. And use responsibly.
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